Prabhupāda: Living entity can exist in any condition. In the sun globe there is life. Go on.
Dr. Patel: Life is caitanya.
Prabhupāda: Yes, caitanya. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20).
Dr. Patel: Without caitanya nothing can exist.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Patel: I think even in an atom there is caitanya.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Aṇḍāntara-stha paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham (Bs. 5.35). There is. Go on.
Yadubara: "I can be sure this opportunity..." (break)
Prabhupāda: It is His energy, so therefore Kṛṣṇa cannot be under the influence of material energy. (break) Just like, what is called, shade and light. They are the same thing, but shade means the other side of light, absence of light. But light can be there at any time. It is not that because it is shade, there cannot be any light. And this light of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is eradicating the darkness of the shady material world. (break) ...taking so much care of the body. Why? Because there is consciousness. Therefore consciousness is important thing, not this body. (break) ...that "Kaṁsa, this rascal, is sending me to Kṛṣṇa. I'll be able to see Him." That's all. His business was to see Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: He was a diplomat.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) ...between demons and gods. So god abides by the order of the Supreme Lord; the demons do not. That's all. They do indirectly, by force. Just like the demon has to die.
Dr. Patel: Both were the sons of Kaśyapa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Kaśyapa, gods and demons. By their behavior one sect became demons, no?
Prabhupāda: Eh? Yes. Vyāvahāreṇa jāyante. Canakya Paṇḍita has said na kaścid kasyacid mitro na kaścid kasyacid ripuḥ, vyāvahāreṇa jāyante: "Who is friend and who is enemy, it can be understood by the behavior." Vyāvahāreṇa jāyante mitrāṇi ripavas tathā.
Dr. Patel: By their... When there is coming action, then you find out who is friend and who is enemy.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) This is very nice hell.
Dr. Patel: Now all that society, any decent(?) society.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Dr. Patel: That Mr. Nair...
Prabhupāda: Mr. Nair also, in Calcutta, many times. (break)
Dr. Patel: Irish or English?
Prabhupāda: No, Irish. He established the Home Rule, Home Rule Party, in India.
Dr. Patel: And he fell off from Gandhi's movement.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Go on. (break) ...rāga of love. When one goes to see his beloved and thinks so many things, "I'll do this, I'll do this, I'll do this," that is pūrva-rāga. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break) ...gopīs as krūra, not Akrūra.