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| He was worshiping Kali. So he had no intelligence or spiritual realization, and he became God? So these things can be accepted by other fools and rascals. But those who follow sastra, they will reject immediately.
| | In the sastra it is said that "Those who are worshiping other demigods, their intelligence is lost." So he was worshiping Kali. So he had no intelligence or spiritual realization, and he became God? So these things can be accepted by other fools and rascals. But those who follow śāstra, they will reject immediately. |
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| Prabhupada: That is a warning to the future fools and rascals that even God does not like to be addressed as God, but we address Him as God on the strength of sastra. Krsna-varnam tvisa krsnam sango-pangastra..., yajnaih sankirtanaih (SB 11.5.32). Here is the incarnation of God. That is... Sastra says. So out of His humbleness, He may say like that, but we should know by following the acaryas, by sastra. Sadhu-sastra-guru vakya. Guru accepts Him God; sastra accepts Him God; sadhu accepts Him God.
| | Prabhupāda: That is a warning to the future fools and rascals that even God does not like to be addressed as God, but we address Him as God on the strength of ''śāstra''. ''Kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣā kṛṣṇaṁ saṅgo-paṅgastra . . . yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtanaiḥ'' ([[vanisource:SB 11.5.32|SB 11.5.32]]). Here is the incarnation of God. That is . . . ''śāstra'' says. So out of His humbleness, He may say like that, but we should know by following the ''ācāryas'', by ''śāstra. Sādhu-śāstra-guru vākya''. ''Guru'' accepts Him God; ''śāstra'' accepts Him God; ''sādhu'' accepts Him God. |
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| Acyutananda: The people say that just like Ramakrishna, the disciples presented him as God, but he never said he was God.
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| Prabhupada: Three things: the devotee or saintly person, sastra and guru. He has no guru. He has no support from the sastra. (laughs) So he's a fool, rascal number one, and he is God. He was a illiterate priest. He had no knowledge of sastra. Besides that, in the sastra it is said that "Those who are worshiping other demigods, their intelligence is lost." So he was worshiping Kali. So he had no intelligence or spiritual realization, and he became God? So these things can be accepted by other fools and rascals. But those who follow sastra, they will reject immediately.
| | Acyutānanda: The people say that just like Ramakrishna, the disciples presented him as God, but he never said he was God. |
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| Acyutananda: What if they say Caitanya Mahaprabhu was a devotee, He worshiped the Supreme Lord, kirtana, but His disciples say He's God?
| | Prabhupāda: But then where is the ''śāstra''? |
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| | Acyutānanda: No. |
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| Acyutananda: Simply the disciples have said He's God.
| | Prabhupāda: Three things: the devotee or saintly person, ''śāstra'' and ''guru''. He has no ''guru''. He has no support from the ''śāstra''. (laughs) So he's a fool, rascal number one, and he is God. He was a illiterate priest. He had no knowledge of ''śāstra''. Besides that, in the ''śāstra'' it is said that, "Those who are worshiping other demigods, their intelligence is lost." So he was worshiping Kālī. So he had no intelligence or spiritual realization, and he became God? So these things can be accepted by other fools and rascals. But those who follow ''śāstra'', they will reject immediately. |
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| Prabhupada: No. That... Why do you...? I have already said that He's supported by sastra. He's supported by sastra. He's supported by learned scholars, but here, in the transcendental scholars. And supported by guru. We follow our guru. So guru says; sastra says; saintly persons say. Therefore we accept.
| | Acyutānanda: What if they say Caitanya Mahāprabhu was a devotee, He worshiped the Supreme Lord, ''kīrtana'', but His disciples say He's God? |
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| Acyutananda: They interpret that verse in another way.
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| Prabhupada: That, the rascals do. They are... What is their value? When these rascals says that worshiping Kali, one becomes God...
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| Acyutananda: No. No. Vaisnavas.
| | Prabhupāda: No. That . . . why do you . . .? I have already said that He's supported by ''śāstra''. He's supported by ''śāstra''. He's supported by learned scholars, but here, in the transcendental scholars. And supported by ''guru''. We follow our ''guru''. So ''guru'' says; ''śāstra'' says; saintly persons say. Therefore we accept. |
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