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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> | | <div id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> |
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| <div id="MorningWalkSeptember251975Ahmedabad_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="191" link="Morning Walk -- September 25, 1975, Ahmedabad" link_text="Morning Walk -- September 25, 1975, Ahmedabad"> | | <div id="TalkwithBobCohenFebruary27291972Mayapura_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="5" link="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura" link_text="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura"> |
| <div class="heading">In America there are so many things which requires thorough reformation. And this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is that. When I went to your country, so I saw these boys and girls, they're living like friends. I said that "You cannot live as friends; you must get yourself married." | | <div class="heading">Well, in America there are so many things which requires thorough reformation. And this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is that. When I went to your country, so I saw these boys and girls, they're living like friends. I said that "You cannot live as friends; you must get yourself married." |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource: Morning Walk -- September 25, 1975, Ahmedabad| Morning Walk -- September 25, 1975, Ahmedabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Well, in America there are so many things which requires thorough reformation. And this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is that. When I went to your country, so I saw these boys and girls, they're living like friends. I said that "You cannot live as friends ; you must get yourself married." </p> | | |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Well, just like I came here alone to reform, to make God conscious, but gradually it is increasing. Although I had very little hope, but still now hopeful. So let us try for it. It is not that cent percent people, but if one, two men can understand, leading men, then the whole society will be benefited. It is not that mass people will be reformed. Just like we have received one letter from one Mr. Ford, Ford family, how much he is appreciating our movement. He has paid also. So it is our duty to do. But if one, two men comes out, comes forward, then it will be successful.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Society has lost this saṁskāra process; therefore they remain in the animal platform. Janman jāyate śūdra saṁskārad bhaved dvijaḥ. When a person is born even in human society, he remains a śūdra. Śūdra means almost like animal. Now he has to be reformed. That is called saṁskāra. Then twice-born. The first-class twice-born is brāhmaṇa. Second-class twice-born is kṣatriya. And third-class twice-born is the vaiśya. And remaining, who cannot be reformed, they remain śūdra. But there is cooperation between brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, and the society makes progress simultaneously for everyone. That is human society. At the present moment mostly all of them remain śūdras or less..., caṇḍālas. So how there can be any peace? It is not possible. There is no brāhmaṇa, no kṣatriya, maybe a few vaiśyas only. They are also half-reformed. And European culture, that is caṇḍāla culture, yavana culture. There is no reformation, no brāhmaṇa, no kṣatriya, no vaiśyas, simply śūdras and caṇḍālas mostly caṇḍālas. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is means for thoroughly overhauling the whole human society. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you.</p>
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| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource: Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura| Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| | Bob: To reduce it over the stages of your life? |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes. Reduce it. Just like a boy is trained up as a student up to twenty-five years, restricting sex life. ''Brahmacārī''. So some of the boys, they remain ''naiṣṭhika-brahmacārī''. He, because he's given education, so if he becomes fully conversant, he doesn't like to marry. But one who has not such restraint, he's allowed to marry. That is also restricted, that he cannot have sex life without being married. Therefore in the human society there is marriage, not in the animal society. |
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| | But we are reducing human society gradually to animal society. We are forgetting marriage. That is also written in the ''śāstras: svīkāra eva codvāhe'' ([[Vanisource:SB 12.2.5|SB 12.2.5]]). In the Kali-yuga there will be no marriage performances, but the boy and the girl, they'll simply agree to live together. ''Dāmpatye 'bhirucir eva hi'' ([[Vanisource:SB 12.2.3|SB 12.2.3]]). And their relationship will exist on sexual power. If the man or the woman is deficient in sex life, then there is divorce. |
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| | So on this philosophy . . . there are many Western philosophers like Freud and others, they have written so many books. But according to Vedic culture, we are not interested. We are interested only for begetting children, that's all, not to study the psychology of sex life. There is already psychology, ''pravṛtti'', natural. Even if one does not read any philosophy, he'll be sexually inclined. |
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| | There is no need of philosophizing sex life. Nobody is taught sex life in the school and the colleges, but everyone knows it, how to do it. (laughs) So ''pravṛttir eṣā bhūtānāṁ nivṛttis tu mahā-phalam'' (''Manu-saṁhitā''). That is the general tendency. But education should be given to stop it. That is real education. (pause) |
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| | Bob: That, for today, is a radical concept, for nowadays. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Hmm? |
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| | Bob: Presently, in America, that's a radical concept. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Well, in America there are so many things which requires thorough reformation. And this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is that. When I went to your country, so I saw these boys and girls, they're living like friends. I said that "You cannot live as friends, you must get yourself married." |
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| | Bob: Many people see that even marriage is not sacred. So they find no desire to. Because people get married, and if things are not proper, they get divorced, so very easy . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes, that also. |
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| | Bob: . . . that some people feel to get married is not meaningful. |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, the idea is that marriage is not sacred. They think marriage is a legalized prostitution. They think like that. But marriage is not that. Even that Christian paper, what is that, "Watch . . .?" |
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| | Śyāmasundara: Christian . . . oh, Watchtower? |
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| | Prabhupāda: Watchtower. It has criticized, one priest has allowed the marriage between man to man, homosex. So these things are going on. They take it purely for prostitution. That's all. So therefore people are thinking, "What is the use of keeping a regular prostitution at a cost of heavy expenditure? Better not to have this." |
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| | Śyāmasundara: You use that example of the cow and the market? |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes, when the milk is available in the market, what is the use of keeping a cow? (laughter) It is very abominable condition. In the Western countries I have seen. Here also, in India, gradually it is coming to be so. (speaks to someone in Bengali) (break) . . . movement is especially meant for making human life reaching the real goal. |
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| | Bob: The real goal? |
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| | Prabhupāda: The real goal of life. |
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| | Bob: Is the real goal of life to know God? |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes.</p> |
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