Indian man: Will Swamiji discourse this evening?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man: You are doing greatest service to the humanity throughout the world.
Prabhupāda: At least, I am trying. But it is very difficult. We have to spoil hundreds of gallons blood before one comes to the point. It is very simple thing. Only our leaders of the society, they are sleeping. They are misguided themselves and misguiding others. That is the difficulty.
Indian man: Swamiji, here is another advocate
Prabhupāda: Now be advocate of Kṛṣṇa. (laughter) Yes. Janma sārthaka kari' kara paropakāra.
Indian man: How long you are going to be in Hyderabad?
Prabhupāda: I am going day after tomorrow.
Indian man: To?
Prabhupāda: I'm going to Delhi.
Indian man: Most of your time you are in the States.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just now I am coming from Europe. States, Europe, then here.
Indian man: What is the method of attaining permanent and impermanent? Permanent ānanda?
Prabhupāda: That is spiritual life. When you are not enwrapped with this material body, then is ānanda.
Indian man: But that life itself is temporary and then...
Prabhupāda: No, that is not temporary. That is permanent. That is to stay with God. That is permanent.
Indian man: But you will do so only so long as you are in your body, is it not? After you leave the body then probably you might attain mokṣa for a temporary period.
Prabhupāda: No. That is impersonalism. And those who actually go to Godhead, they remain in their spiritual body.
Indian man: Between meditation and kīrtana, which is the easier and...
Prabhupāda: Kīrtana. Yes. Meditation means you'll think of your business and all sleep, snoring. That is meditation. (laughter) (end)