Dr. Patel: I am not student of literature like you.
Prabhupāda: Nothing can exist.... mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam. So everything is Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam. Where is not Kṛṣṇa? But the Māyāvādī says, "Everything is Kṛṣṇa; therefore let me worship the sand." That is rascaldom. "What is the use of going to the temple? Let me worship the sand." That is rascaldom. Kṛṣṇa says clearly, therefore,
- mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ
- jagad avyakta-mūrtinā
- mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni
- na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ
- (BG 9.4)
Dr. Patel: Na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ means no more important.(?)
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: So I look a fool and they'll become wise, all of them, eh?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. You are wise.
Dr. Patel: They want that I should say something, and then you call me a rascal, and they take pleasure in it.
Guru dāsa: No, no. Para-duḥkhī.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. I say all right...
Guru dāsa: Vaiṣṇava is not happy in someone else's misery.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...possible if you remain with the devotees. (Hindi) ...nondevotees' association. Satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido, bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ (SB 3.25.25). Satāṁ prasaṅgāt. Amongst devotees if you remain, then Kṛṣṇa-kathā will be so pleasing, rasāyanāḥ kathā, rasāyana. Therefore Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura said,
- tādera caraṇa-sebī-bhakta-sane bās
- janame janame hoy ei abhilāṣ
Dr. Patel: The sat-saṅga.
Prabhupāda: Yes, sat-saṅga.
Dr. Patel: Is satāṁ saṅga? It is sat-saṅga.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Even good literature saṅga is also sat-saṅga, is it not?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Patel: So I am.... In the morning I do your sat-saṅga, and afterwards I do the sat-saṅga of Bhāgavata and Bhagavad-gītā. So it is a continuous sat-saṅga. So don't say I am not doing it. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: No, no, you are not.... I don't say that you are rascal.
Dr. Patel: No, about sat-saṅga.
Prabhupāda: Rather, I think myself rascal because.... (laughter)
Dr. Patel: I say about sat-saṅga. Let us turn the issue.
Prabhupāda: I could not draw you in my temple.
Dr. Patel: You have drawn me lot, but still, you are dragging me by leg nowadays.