Indian man (4): Swamijī, is there any hell, or rather this is hell...?
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Why not? Why not?
Indian man (4): Above the world or in the world?
Prabhupāda: Huh? You know everything, where, what is where? Do you know? Then why do you ask this question? There is. There is. There is planet, hellish planet.
Indian man (4): I don't know, I have thought about this, that the hell of the pradas(?) exists only in this world itself.
Prabhupāda: Because you are the frog of the well. The frog of the well thinks, "This well is everything." And if you say, "There is Atlantic Ocean," he cannot imagine, the frog of the well. You know frog of the well?
Indian man (4): Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: A three-feet well, and a frog is there and he is thinking, "This is everything." And some friend comes and informs, "Oh, I have seen very big water, Atlantic." He simply imagines, "Oh? It's big? How much big? One feet more? All right, two feet. All right, three feet," like that. So the frogs in the well, they cannot understand. You should be not a frog in the well; you should be liberal to hear from the authorities, Vedas. Then you will understand. And if you remain a frog in the well... All these rascal scientists, they are all frog in the well. They have got little calculation of this planet, and they have no information of... There are so many millions of planets. What do they know? They cannot, could not study even this moon planet. Wrongly study. The moon planet is above the sun planet, 1,000,600,000 miles above. What do they know? They are thinking the moon planet is in between the earth and the... So the all wrong calculation.
Indian man (4): Swamijī, it has been said just as we act... We take birth according to our action. So if we have done something we must take birth according to the law of God.
Prabhupāda: You must take birth. That is a fact. You cannot avoid it. But according to your karma you have to take birth.
Indian man (4): This means that you pay what you have wrote. Yes, eh? Therefore do you think that...
Prabhupāda: Suppose when your, this shirt is torn, you have to purchase one shirt. Now, that shirt you have to purchase according to your price. If you have good price, then you get a good shirt. If you have no money, then you get a bad shirt. That's all.
Indian man (4): I wanted to say this, Swamijī, that hell also is situated in this world itself, because where do you think that we can pay our debt?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Indian man (4): The sin, the debt of our sin. Where do you think that we pay it? In the hell, which is not...
Prabhupāda: Hell is the place for your punishment.
Indian man (4): Therefore it is on the earth itself.
Prabhupāda: Why earth?
Indian man (4): In the planet earth, no?
Prabhupāda: No. It can be...
Indian man (4): In any planets?
Prabhupāda: ...many millions miles away.
Indian man (4): But it is not locate... Only hell is located in one place or a prada(?) is located in another place? Do you think so, Swamijī?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. There are different planets.
Indian man (4): There are many people who suffer in this world itself.
Prabhupāda: So they are first of all trained up in that hellish planet and then they come here to suffer the same standard of life.
Indian man (4): When our soul gets out from our body, it goes to the hell or...
Prabhupāda: Hellish planet.
Indian: ...hemisphere or it take birth immediately afterwards?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Those who are sinful, they do not take immediately birth. They first of all trained up in the hellish planet how to suffer to become accustomed and then they are taken birth, then suffer. Just like you pass I.A.S. Then you become an assistant to the magistrate. You learn. Then you are posted as magistrate. Even if you are fit for going back to home, back to Godhead, you are first of all transferred to the universe where Kṛṣṇa is now present, and there you become accustomed. Then you go to real Vṛndāvana.
Indian man (4): Therefore, after our death...
Prabhupāda: Every arrangement by God is perfect. Pūrṇam. Pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇāt pūrṇam.. (Īśopaniṣad, Invocation). Whatever is created by God, that is perfect.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: All the associates of Lord Caitanya also were in the same position.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Liberated souls. Does Lord Caitanya always appear just after Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: In every universe.
Prabhupāda: Hm. (break) All questions are answered or not yet? Make it clear.
Indian: Yes. I am thinking about it.