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<p>Devotee (1): ...degraded activity in the public parks. Fighting and intoxications and all kinds of nonsense. Just like animals. (break)</p>
<p>Devotee (1): ...degraded activity in the public parks. Fighting and intoxications and all kinds of nonsense. Just like animals. (break)</p>
<p>Devotee (2): And there were so many people that we decided that next weekend we'll come and distribute magazines and incense.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): And there were so many people that we decided that next weekend we'll come and distribute magazines and incense.</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: In the Bhagavad-gītā, Eighteenth Chapter, 54th verse, brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā ([[Vanisource:BG 18.54|BG 18.54]]), it says that the person in brahma-bhūtaḥ realization at once realizes the Supreme Brahman. If the devotee is situated on the platform of the brahma-bhūtaḥ, but he may not necessarily see everything as Brahman, does that mean that his realization is by intelligence, and by his activity, or what does that mean?</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: In the Bhagavad-gītā, Eighteenth Chapter, 54th verse, brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā ([[Vanisource:BG 18.54 (1972)|BG 18.54]]), it says that the person in brahma-bhūtaḥ realization at once realizes the Supreme Brahman. If the devotee is situated on the platform of the brahma-bhūtaḥ, but he may not necessarily see everything as Brahman, does that mean that his realization is by intelligence, and by his activity, or what does that mean?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Realization of spiritual identification.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Realization of spiritual identification.</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: Realization of spiritual life?</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: Realization of spiritual life?</p>
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<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. If you realize that you are servant of Kṛṣṇa, where is lamentation?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. If you realize that you are servant of Kṛṣṇa, where is lamentation?</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: Due to māyā's influence, a devotee may sometimes materially lament.</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: Due to māyā's influence, a devotee may sometimes materially lament.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That you have to struggle. Tapasā brahmacāryeṇa ([[Vanisource:SB 6.1.13|SB 6.1.13]]). That is called tapasya. But if you stick to devotional service, māyā will not be able to touch you.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That you have to struggle. Tapasā brahmacāryeṇa ([[Vanisource:SB 6.1.13-14|SB 6.1.13]]). That is called tapasya. But if you stick to devotional service, māyā will not be able to touch you.</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: The māyā that harasses the devotee is just mental concoction, then? He should concentrate on just serving?</p>
<p>Makhanlāl: The māyā that harasses the devotee is just mental concoction, then? He should concentrate on just serving?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Māyā's harassing, that means you are not in devotional service. It is not concoction; it is fact.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Māyā's harassing, that means you are not in devotional service. It is not concoction; it is fact.</p>

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"Brahman realization for the devotee in the beginning is just that he realizes his constitutional position as servant of Krsna"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1976 Conversations and Morning Walks

Yes. That is next. First of all, that "I am not this body." That is Brahman realization.
Morning Walk -- June 14, 1976, Detroit:

Hari-śauri: This is in connection with the churning of the ocean?

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it actually possible for the demons to win?

Prabhupāda: Sometimes. When there is fighting, both the parties will have chance to win. What is this? (break)

Devotee (1): ...degraded activity in the public parks. Fighting and intoxications and all kinds of nonsense. Just like animals. (break)

Devotee (2): And there were so many people that we decided that next weekend we'll come and distribute magazines and incense.

Makhanlāl: In the Bhagavad-gītā, Eighteenth Chapter, 54th verse, brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā (BG 18.54), it says that the person in brahma-bhūtaḥ realization at once realizes the Supreme Brahman. If the devotee is situated on the platform of the brahma-bhūtaḥ, but he may not necessarily see everything as Brahman, does that mean that his realization is by intelligence, and by his activity, or what does that mean?

Prabhupāda: Realization of spiritual identification.

Makhanlāl: Realization of spiritual life?

Prabhupāda: Identity.

Makhanlāl: Identity? (break) Brahman realization for the devotee in the beginning is just that he realizes his constitutional position as servant of Kṛṣṇa?

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is next. First of all, that "I am not this body." That is Brahman realization.

Makhanlāl: So we may only be partially situated in that realization in our present level of devotional service.

Prabhupāda: You realize or not realize, if you remain on the platform, that is same. (break) ...in Kṛṣṇa's service, that is brahma-bhūtaḥ stage. (break)

Makhanlāl: ...says that such a person never laments nor desires anything. So...

Prabhupāda: Yes. If you realize that you are servant of Kṛṣṇa, where is lamentation?

Makhanlāl: Due to māyā's influence, a devotee may sometimes materially lament.

Prabhupāda: That you have to struggle. Tapasā brahmacāryeṇa (SB 6.1.13). That is called tapasya. But if you stick to devotional service, māyā will not be able to touch you.

Makhanlāl: The māyā that harasses the devotee is just mental concoction, then? He should concentrate on just serving?

Prabhupāda: Māyā's harassing, that means you are not in devotional service. It is not concoction; it is fact.

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