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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi|Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The cheating type of religion means which does not teach people how to serve the Lord, that is cheating. They take advantage of the religious feeling. They say, "I am God" or "I am everything, you serve me, you give your money unto me, I shall give you some material benefit, atonement. You have made your confess, you are sinful, give me some money and you are excused." In this way religion is being perverted.</p>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi|Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The cheating type of religion means which does not teach people how to serve the Lord, that is cheating. They take advantage of the religious feeling. They say, "I am God" or "I am everything, you serve me, you give your money unto me, I shall give you some material benefit, atonement. You have made your confess, you are sinful, give me some money and you are excused." In this way religion is being perverted.</p>
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<div id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Atonement.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Prāyaścitta. Intonation, what do you call?</p>
<p>Dr. Kapoor: No.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Prāyaścitta, what is the exact English?</p>
<p>Dr. Kapoor: Penance.</p>
<p>Devotee:  Atonement.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Atonement.</p>
<p>Dr. Kapoor: Atonement, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Atonement.</p>
<p>Dr. Kapoor: Atonement. So I was made to undergo atonement, you see. (chuckles) I was coming to Mathurā. I had to drop down some (indistinct) at Mathurā, and I had a trunk and bedding with me. (break) (Hindi), a big volume, about one thousand pages, that he had given to me for revision. So that thing was there, there was one...</p>
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrArnoldToynbeeFamousHistorianathishomeorofficeJuly221973London_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="49" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London">
<div class="heading">After the Battle of Kurukṣetra, all the five brothers, they were almost fasting, as, what is called, atonement for so many people killed for their sake.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, after the Battle of Kurukṣetra, all the five brothers, they were almost fasting, as, what is called, atonement for so many people killed for their sake. Then, under the instruction of elderly persons, Bhīṣma and Kṛṣṇa, he accepted the ruling power, governmental, and during his time.</p>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay141975Perth_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="70" link="Morning Walk -- May 14, 1975, Perth" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 14, 1975, Perth">
<div class="heading">Just like the Christian atonement.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 14, 1975, Perth|Morning Walk -- May 14, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, you can fall down unconsciously. But if you fall consciously, that is cheating. I do not want. I am trying to keep myself steady, but still, if I fall, that is excused. But if you purposely... Just like the Christian atonement. They go to the church and admit, "Yes, I have done these sinful activities, so I pay you something. Excuse it." That is not sincerity. And again, next week, he does the same thing. That is not sincerity.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune221975LosAngeles_1" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="106" link="Morning Walk -- June 22, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 22, 1975, Los Angeles">
<div class="heading">Oh yes. Atonement.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 22, 1975, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- June 22, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Hawaii is clear. Hawaii is clear. Every day we used to see sun.</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: Very beautiful there.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: India is like that also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (break) ...sinners.</p>
<p>Revatīnandana: I think it is a joke, though.</p>
<p>Jayadvaita: Then again commit sins. They'll repent and commit them again.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Atonement.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Whenever we meet the Christians, they always say that "It doesn't matter because Jesus came to save us from our sins. So now it doesn't matter because we're saved."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then Jesus is a fool, and he has taken contract to suffer, and these people are free to commit sin.</p>
<p>Dharmādhyakṣa: Jesus actually said...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And they are so clever that they can make God's son also fool. Over-clever.</p>
<p>Dharmādhyakṣa: (break) ...always said, "Your sins are forgiven you, go and sin no more." He always gave that injunction, "Go and sin no more." (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...is no description of sins in Bible? What are the sins?</p>
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<div id="LettertoJagadisaBombay28December1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="717" link="Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 28 December, 1974" link_text="Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 28 December, 1974">
<div class="heading">My request is that you atone for your actions by engaging in devotional service with great enthusiasm.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 28 December, 1974|Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 28 December, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding your first question, you have not committee. such a serious offense. My request is that you atone for your actions by engaging in devotional service with great enthusiasm. Wherever your health is good, you should remain there and serve.</p>
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Conversations and Morning Walks

1971 Conversations and Morning Walks

Lord Jesus Christ sacrificed his life and he says that he atoned for your sins, but you are not stopping your sinful life, and still you are claiming to be Christian.
Conversation with Journalists -- August 18, 1971, London:

Prabhupāda: They don't like. They don't like God. They don't like God. As soon as somebody speaks of God, "They say they are crazy." So actually there is no Christian, no Hindu, no Muslim. All demons. That's all.

Journalist (1): How do you stop that?

Prabhupāda: Well, become religious. If you are really Christian, that is all right. But you are not Christian because you are violating the orders of Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ sacrificed his life and he says that he atoned for your sins, but you are not stopping your sinful life, and still you are claiming to be Christian. The fun is going on. Actually there is no Christian. Otherwise Christian religion is very nice religion.

They say, "I am God" or "I am everything, you serve me, you give your money unto me, I shall give you some material benefit, atonement. You have made your confess, you are sinful, give me some money and you are excused."
Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi:

Prabhupāda: The cheating type of religion means which does not teach people how to serve the Lord, that is cheating. They take advantage of the religious feeling. They say, "I am God" or "I am everything, you serve me, you give your money unto me, I shall give you some material benefit, atonement. You have made your confess, you are sinful, give me some money and you are excused." In this way religion is being perverted.

1972 Conversations and Morning Walks

Atonement.
Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana:

Prabhupāda: Prāyaścitta. Intonation, what do you call?

Dr. Kapoor: No.

Prabhupāda: Prāyaścitta, what is the exact English?

Dr. Kapoor: Penance.

Devotee: Atonement.

Prabhupāda: Atonement.

Dr. Kapoor: Atonement, yes.

Prabhupāda: Atonement.

Dr. Kapoor: Atonement. So I was made to undergo atonement, you see. (chuckles) I was coming to Mathurā. I had to drop down some (indistinct) at Mathurā, and I had a trunk and bedding with me. (break) (Hindi), a big volume, about one thousand pages, that he had given to me for revision. So that thing was there, there was one...

1973 Conversations and Morning Walks

After the Battle of Kurukṣetra, all the five brothers, they were almost fasting, as, what is called, atonement for so many people killed for their sake.
Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London:

Prabhupāda: Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, after the Battle of Kurukṣetra, all the five brothers, they were almost fasting, as, what is called, atonement for so many people killed for their sake. Then, under the instruction of elderly persons, Bhīṣma and Kṛṣṇa, he accepted the ruling power, governmental, and during his time.

1975 Conversations and Morning Walks

Just like the Christian atonement.
Morning Walk -- May 14, 1975, Perth:

Prabhupāda: No, you can fall down unconsciously. But if you fall consciously, that is cheating. I do not want. I am trying to keep myself steady, but still, if I fall, that is excused. But if you purposely... Just like the Christian atonement. They go to the church and admit, "Yes, I have done these sinful activities, so I pay you something. Excuse it." That is not sincerity. And again, next week, he does the same thing. That is not sincerity.

Oh yes. Atonement.
Morning Walk -- June 22, 1975, Los Angeles:

Prabhupāda: Hawaii is clear. Hawaii is clear. Every day we used to see sun.

Jayatīrtha: Very beautiful there.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: India is like that also.

Prabhupāda: (break) ...sinners.

Revatīnandana: I think it is a joke, though.

Jayadvaita: Then again commit sins. They'll repent and commit them again.

Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Atonement.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Whenever we meet the Christians, they always say that "It doesn't matter because Jesus came to save us from our sins. So now it doesn't matter because we're saved."

Prabhupāda: Then Jesus is a fool, and he has taken contract to suffer, and these people are free to commit sin.

Dharmādhyakṣa: Jesus actually said...

Prabhupāda: And they are so clever that they can make God's son also fool. Over-clever.

Dharmādhyakṣa: (break) ...always said, "Your sins are forgiven you, go and sin no more." He always gave that injunction, "Go and sin no more." (break)

Prabhupāda: ...is no description of sins in Bible? What are the sins?

Correspondence

1974 Correspondence

My request is that you atone for your actions by engaging in devotional service with great enthusiasm.
Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 28 December, 1974:

Regarding your first question, you have not committee. such a serious offense. My request is that you atone for your actions by engaging in devotional service with great enthusiasm. Wherever your health is good, you should remain there and serve.

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