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| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Room Conversations, 1966 - 1977]] |
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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div id="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1971 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1971 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> | | <div id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> |
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| <div id="RoomConversationAugust171971London_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="20" link="Room Conversation -- August 17, 1971, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 17, 1971, London"> | | <div id="RoomConversationAugust081972London_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="20" link="Room Conversation -- August 08, 1972, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 08, 1972, London"> |
| <div class="heading">As far as we know from sādhu-guru-śāstra. That's all. That is our understanding. | | <div class="heading">As far as we know from sādhu-guru-śāstra. That's all. That is our understanding. |
| </div> | | </div> |
| <span class="link">[[Vanisource: Room Conversation - - August 17, 1971, London|Room Conversation -- August 17, 1971, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is not understandable does not mean that we are also as fool as they are. Rather, Kṛṣṇa is so big that He is understandable even by us, and what to, about these rascals. What you can understand? We cannot understand. This should be the position, that "We are constantly serving Kṛṣṇa, we cannot understand Him . And what, rascal, you can understand?" The attitude should be taken like that. </p> | | |
| <p>Haṁsadūta: We just accept whatever Kṛṣṇa says...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: That's it.</p>
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| <p>Haṁsadūta: That's a fact and that's all. And we serve Kṛṣṇa. In the material sense, people try to understand a thing without, by inspecting it.</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource: 720808 - Conversation - London|Room Conversation -- August 08, 1972, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Without knowing his capacity. He has no capacity, still, he wants... And when he's caught that "You have no capacity," "No, I am trying. I am trying." He won't say that "I have no capacity."</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is not understandable does not mean that we are also as fool as they are. |
| <p>Śyāmasundara: Or "I will understand."</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: "I will understand."</p>
| | Revatīnandana: Yes. |
| <p>Śyāmasundara: "In the future."</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Obstinacy.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Rather, Kṛṣṇa is so big, that is understandable even by us, and what to, about these here rascals. What you can understand? We cannot understand. This should be the position that, "We are constantly serving Kṛṣṇa, we cannot understand Him, and what, rascal, you can understand?" (laughter) The attitude should be taken like that. |
| <p>Revatīnandana: So we always try to understand as far as possible. And then when we don't understand...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: As far as we know from sādhu-guru-śāstra. That's all. That is our understanding.</p>
| | Haṁsadūta: We just accept whatever Kṛṣṇa says. |
| <p>Śyāmasundara: Yes. We can't extend it any further by our own...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: No. Don't try to extend also.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: That's it. |
| <p>Śyāmasundara: Like that business about the soul in the table. I just completely changed everything we've done so far.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Therefore Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura said that "Whatever I heard from my guru, that is my life. That's all. Let me execute that."</p>
| | Haṁsadūta: That's a fact and that's all, and, and we serve Kṛṣṇa. In the material sense people try to understand a thing without . . . by, by inspecting it. |
| <p>Revatīnandana: That was semantics. That was word usage. That's why we got confused. And now I can clear up the confusion I stirred up. Thank you very much.</p>
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| <p>Haṁsadūta: But I have one more question Prabhupāda.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Without knowing his capacity. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: On the light.</p>
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| <p>Haṁsadūta: In our world here, there are material scientists and they understand things in a particular way. They understand, for instance...</p>
| | Haṁsadūta: Yeah. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Their way and our way is completely different.</p>
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| <p>Haṁsadūta: I know. But I mean, there must be... Suppose, on the heavenly planets, there must also be a class of men who understand things...</p>
| | Prabhupāda: He has no capacity, still he wants and, and when, and when he is caught, that you have no capacity, "No, I am trying, I am trying." |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Anywhere within this material world, they are all conditioned souls. Their understanding is incomplete. Even Brahmā. Even Brahmā. Brahmā has admitted in his prayers that people..."Other rascal may say that he has understood You, but for my part, I say I never understood You." He has said like that. Have you read this portion? So even Brahmā cannot understand. What we? He says, "The other rascals may say." Where is that Brahma-stotra? In the first part, find out.</p>
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| <p>Haṁsadūta: No. It's in the Process of Creation isn't it?</p>
| | Haṁsadūta: Yeah. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no. In Kṛṣṇa Book. Where is that...? This is second part. I say always that...</p>
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| <p>Śyāmasundara: Second part?</p>
| | Prabhupāda: He won't say that, "I have no capacity." |
| <p>Prabhupāda: That is Volume Two. No, no. It is not in Volume Two.</p>
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| <p>Revatīnandana: It's in Volume One, when Brahmā kidnaps the cowherd boys. When I went to Paris, they had gotten all confused. Someone was thinking that Brahmā, Lord Brahmā is not a pure devotee, because...</p>
| | Śyāmasundara: (laughing) Or "I will understand." |
| <p>Prabhupāda: In one sense, not. In one sense.</p>
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| <p>Revatīnandana: By his behavior sometimes...</p>
| | Prabhupāda: "I will understand," that he will say. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no, behavior... Because he is in the material world, he wants to lord it over. But a pure devotee has no such desire.</p>
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| <p>Haṁsadūta: But at the same time, he appeared as Ṭhākura Haridāsa in this world. So Brahmā, he appears as Ṭhākura Haridāsa with Caitanya Mahāprabhu.</p>
| | Śyāmasundara: "In the future, someday I will." |
| <p>Prabhupāda: But Brahmā, it does not mean Brahmā cannot be pure devotee.</p>
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| | Prabhupāda: Obstinacy. |
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| | Revatīnandana: So we always try to understand as far as possible, and then when we don't understand . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: As soon as . . . |
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| | Revatīnandana: . . . and then when we don't understand, that's . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: As far as we know from ''sādhu'', ''guru'', ''śāstra''. |
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| | Revatīnandana: Yes. |
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| | Prabhupāda: That's all. That is our understanding. |
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| | Śyāmasundara: Yeah. Can't extend it any further . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: No. |
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| | Śyāmasundara: . . . on our own. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Don't try to extend on it. |
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| | Revatīnandana: No. |
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| | Devotee: Yes. Like that business . . . |
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| | Revatīnandana: That was speculation. |
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| | Śyāmasundara: . . . about the soul and the table. It just completely changed everything we've learned so far. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Therefore Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura said that "Whatever I heard from my ''guru'', that is my life, that's all. Let me execute that." |
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| | Revatīnandana: That was . . . that was semantics. That was, that was word usage. That's why we got confused. And that's . . . so now I can clear up the confusion. Thank you very much. All glories to you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. |
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| | Haṁsadūta: Uhh, I have one more question, Prabhupāda. |
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| | Prabhupāda: (aside) On the light. |
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| | Haṁsadūta: There are in, in our world here, there are material scientists, and they understand things in a particular way. They understand, for instance . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: Their way and our way is completely different. |
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| | Haṁsadūta: I know, but I mean there must be, suppose on the heavenly planets, there must also be a class of men who understand things and . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, no. Anywhere within this material world, they are all conditioned souls. Their understanding is incomplete. Even Brahmā. Even Brahmā. Brahmā has admitted, in his prayer, that people . . . "Other rascal may say that he has understood You, but for my part I say I have never understood You." He has said like that. Have you read this portion? |
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| | Haṁsadūta: Yes. |
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| | Revatīnandana: Yes. |
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| | Prabhupāda: So even Brahmā cannot understand, why . . . what we? He said the other rascals may say . . . uh? Where is that Brahmā prayer? In the first part? Find out. |
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| | Śyāmasundara: ''Brahma-samhitā.'' |
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| | Haṁsadūta: No, that's in the, uh, "Process of Creation," isn't it? |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, no. In ''Kṛṣṇa'' book. |
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| | Revatīnandana: ''Kṛṣṇa One''. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Now, where is that? |
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| | Śyāmasundara: Right here. |
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| | Prabhupāda: This is second part. I see always that volume. |
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| | Śyāmasundara: Second part? There, there's . . . Volume Two is there. |
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| | Prabhupāda: No. Volume Two, yes. |
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| | Śyāmasundara: It's here. |
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| | Prabhupāda: That is Volume Two. That . . . no, no, it is not in Volume Two. |
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| | Revatīnandana: No, it's in Volume One. |
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| | Haṁsadūta: In Volume One. |
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| | Revatīnandana: Volume One, in . . . at, when Brahmā kidnaps the cowherd boys. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes. |
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| | Śyāmasundara: Oh. |
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| | Revatīnandana: There was . . . when I went to Paris they had gotten all confused. Some were thinking that Brahmā, Lord Brahmā, is not a pure devotee, because . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: In one sense not, he is not pure devotee. |
