Prabhupāda: What is the thesis of life?
Harikeśa: According to who?
Prabhupāda: Anyone.
Harikeśa: Anyone. Some people say that life is to be enjoyed. Life is simply there for enjoyment.
Prabhupāda: So the answer is that whether you are actually enjoying life.
Harikeśa: Well, right now I'm not actually enjoying life, so...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: ...I have to find out...
Prabhupāda: Then the aim is to enjoy life.
Harikeśa: Yes. So I have to find out the means to enjoy, and to negate the pain and to make the pleasure more.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's very nice proposal, but whether, at the present moment, or in the history, whether a man is enjoying life or suffering?
Harikeśa: Well, men, men have actually never really enjoyed because they never understood enough about themselves. They were never able to overcome their difficulties due to ignorance.
Prabhupāda: So then the next question will be that how to become enjoyable, or how to enjoy? The next question is.... There may be different thesis. So our thesis is that we are trying to enjoy life by covering ourself. The crude example.... Just like sometimes before, the.... It may be nowadays also current. The contraceptive method was by using one cover. Do you know that?
Harikeśa: Hmh.
Prabhupāda: What is called?
Harikeśa: Prophylactic.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Harikeśa: A prophylactic.
Prabhupāda: Not prophylactic. Technical name. So, but that was not enjoyable. So then they discovered pills. So covered enjoyment is not enjoyment. It is not complete enjoyment. The same.... The real enjoyment in this material world is sex. Now if we want to enjoy sex, covered with coats and pants, is that enjoyment is pleasing?
Harikeśa: No.
Prabhupāda: Therefore actually when they want to enjoy sex in the private room, they become naked. So they are seeking enjoyment with this material body, but they are not able to enjoy on account of being covered. This is the thesis.