Mr. Malhotra: No Taksila was in Punjab, that side. In Bengal, Bihar, that...
Prabhupāda: Tarbanga.
Mr. Malhotra: I visited that. So this was the seat of very old temples, oldest temples in this place, this Haya. (?) And they say this is one of the oldest of the oldest towns or cities of the country. Small place, Pasir, with a population of about 10-15,000 people. All the temples are in the Kṛṣṇā River, in the Kṛṣṇā river. (break) Whatever I am today, that is all due to my past karmas, good or bad, I mean.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Mr. Malhotra: And whatever I am doing today, that I will have to reap the harvest in the future.
Prabhupāda: You are creating the next position.
Mr. Malhotra: So that means that I am bound by my past karmas. My destiny, my fate is tied with the past karmas. So I have no other goal but to have the phala of past karmas. Or can I change my fate?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You are enjoying the past karmas, and you are creating new karmas.
Mr. Malhotra: But this means a circle that I'll always be.
Prabhupāda: Karma-cakra.
Mr. Malhotra: So how can one be out of this cakra?
Prabhupāda: That cakra, you surrender to Kṛṣṇa.
Mr. Malhotra: Surrender to Kṛṣṇa. And put all the karmas...
Prabhupāda: Yes, He says, "You surrender. I square up all your karma."
Mr. Malhotra: Then only square up. Otherwise, no. Otherwise continue in this vicious circle.
Prabhupāda: Dharmasyāsya parantapa mām aprāpya nivartante mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani (BG 9.3). Karma-cakra, this mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani. One after another, one body after another, one body after another. This will continue. If you don't come to Kṛṣṇa, then nivartante, mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani, you have to return again to that karma-cakra.
Mr. Malhotra: The only way out is to surrender your...?
Prabhupāda: To accept Kṛṣṇa, that "You are my Lord. I forgot it. I surrender. Kindly accept me."