Bhagavān: He told me that Prabhupāda was remarking how nice the Dutch Bhagavad-gītā was. He says that the next books he will print will be even nicer.
Translator: He's very happy to meet you, he says. He wasn't expecting it. He had many questions to ask you, a few questions, but he saw that you were tired today, so...
Prabhupāda: No, no, I'm not tired
Translator: He says he has very much appreciation for all that we're doing here, for all of our activities, but he's wondering what is the actual freedom we're getting from all these activities, what is the actual goal, and what is the freedom we derive from doing these activities?
Prabhupāda: So, explain what is the goal.
Translator: What is our definition of liberty, freedom, spiritual?
Prabhupāda: Liberty means whatever you like, you can do. That is liberty. But at the present moment, you cannot do that. Just like you want to go to the moon planet, you cannot do that. But when you are spiritually liberated, you can go anywhere you like. Still, in this material world there is a planet which is called Siddhaloka. The inhabitants of that planet, they go from any planet to any planet. But still, they can not go to the spiritual world. But Nārada Muni, he can travel anywhere. He travels over all the spiritual world and material world. There is no restriction.
Translator: He says this freedom to go anywhere and everywhere...
Prabhupāda: This is one of the items, there are so many others.
Translator: So he's pointing out that when one acts in complete freedom, he follows a path, a definite path to attain a certain truth.
Prabhupāda: You get a spiritual body, that means freedom, no condition.
Translator: But he's asking where we're finding that truth. Can we find it only in the scriptures, in following all the regulative principles we're following day after day, or can we find also that truth by following our own path, by keeping our own freedom to do whatever we like?
Prabhupāda: No, you have no freedom. You have to accept some way for freedom.
Translator: He says that this very truth is contained in the scriptures. So right from the beginning, to start with, he has to accept the scriptures.