Expressions researched:
"Kali goddess"
|"Kali, goddess"
|"goddess Bhadra Kali"
|"goddess Durga or Kali"
|"goddess Durga, Kali"
|"goddess Durga, and Kali"
|"goddess Kali"
|"goddess like Maha-kali"
|"goddess of Kali"
Prabhupāda: ...before me never dared to ask people to stop meat-eating. Rather, they learned how to eat meat. Vivekananda was eighty years ago, he came. He learned how to eat meat. Instead of teaching Vedānta, he learned how to eat meat.
Jayatīrtha: In the Vedānta Society temple in Santa Barbara, they were offering chicken soup...
Prabhupāda: Prasādam.
Jayatīrtha: ...to the Goddess Kālī an offering, and then they were distributing it as prasādam.
Prabhupāda: In the name of Vedānta.
Prabhupāda: So actually in India the meat-eaters were always, but there was no slaughterhouse. The meat-eaters, they were allowed that "You can sacrifice one goat before the goddess Kālī and eat it." That means once in a month, restriction. And individual person... But no slaughterhouse. What is this nonsense, slaughterhouse? Big, big slaughterhouse. Trade with slaughterhouse. This is the... Even, even in India during Mohammedan period, there was no slaughterhouse. Individual, if he liked, he can kill one animal and eat. No slaughterhouse.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Ramakrishna was a first-class Māyāvādī.
Dr. Patel: Which Ramakrishna?
Prabhupāda: This Ramakrishna Mission.
Dr. Patel: You are a guru. So I don't want to contradict. I am going. (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: No, that is... Then you have got some selection of your own.
Dr. Patel: I have no selection.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's all.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: I have to tell the truth. You may like or not like. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I have to say the truth. I am saying all over the world.
Dr. Patel: That may be a truth, but all are not like that.
Prabhupāda: He was a pākā Māyāvādī.
Dr. Patel: That may be a truth...
Prabhupāda: I am still repeating. Repeating.
Dr. Patel: Let us go off.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He was a pākā Māyāvādī. Just like... Just see that he said that he is a worshiper of goddess Kālī. Is it not?
Dr. Patel: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Eh? And he became God. By worshiping Kālī. Just see how much Māyāvādī he is. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya-devatāḥ: (BG 7.20) "Anyone who is worshiping other demigods, his intelligence is lost." Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ. And this man says that worshiping a demigod, goddess Kālī, he became God. Just see. How much great Māyāvādī he is! Where is the śāstra, where is in the śāstra, Vedic śāstra, that one becomes God by worshiping goddess Kālī?
Dr. Patel: (Sanskrit): Brahma-vid brahma eva bhavati.
Prabhupāda: Is there any evidence? There may...
Dr. Patel: Brahma-vid brahma eva bhavati.
Prabhupāda: That is all right. That is another thing. Just like I gave the example: if you associate with fire, you also become fire. That is another thing, brahma-vid. But here is no question of brahma-vid. Ignorance. Ignorance. Because brahma-vid, the Brahman, Supreme Brahman, says that "Those who are worshiper of demigods, they have lost their intelligence." So how he becomes...? A man who has lost his intelligence, how he can become brahma-vid?
Prabhupāda: Four principles essential. Essential. But only the śūdras or the kṣatriyas... Just like kṣatriyas, they have to learn how to kill. So practically, they should go to the forest and kill some animal. And if he likes, he can eat also. If he likes, he can eat also.
Hṛdayānanda: What he kills.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But not from the slaughterhouse. Those who are kṣatriyas, they can, they're allowed sometimes to eat meat. It is understood Bhīma, Bhīma also eating sometimes meat. Bhīma. Amongst the Pāṇḍavas, only Bhīma. Not others. So if the kṣatriyas, they want to eat meat, they can be allowed on particular occasions. But they must go to the forest and kill the animal. Not that for meat-eating regular slaughterhouses should be maintained. This is all nonsense, degradation. If you want to eat meat, you go to the forest. And the śūdras, they also sometimes eat meat. Or the caṇḍālas.
Hṛdayānanda: But never the cow.
Prabhupāda: No. Cow... The śūdras, they can take a goat and sacrifice before the deity, goddess Kālī, and then eat. Nobody should be given unrestricted freedom to eat meat. Or wine. If one is adamant to drink wine, then there is Caṇḍī-pūjā, Durgā-pūjā. That means restriction. That means restriction. Under certain condition.
| Page Title: | Goddess Kali (Conv. and Letters) |
| Compiler: | Labangalatika, Marc |
| Created: | 16 of Mar, 2011 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=25, Let=3 |
| No. of Quotes: | 28 |