Amogha: But we are helping people practically, like in the hospital or the alcoholics . . .
Prabhupāda: No, what . . . how you are helping? Do you think if one goes to hospital he will not die? And how you are helping? You are thinking you are helping.
Paramahaṁsa: But he lives longer.
Prabhupāda: That is another foolishness. How long you will live? When the time of death comes, you will not live longer even by a moment. When a man is going to die, his life is finished. Can your injection, medicine, give one minute's life more? Is there any medicine?
Paramahaṁsa: Well, there seems to be.
Prabhupāda: No . . .
Paramahaṁsa: Sometimes when they give medicine, they live longer.
Amogha: They say that by perfecting heart transplant they may make people live . . .
Paramahaṁsa: They say that by perfecting heart transplant they may make people live . . .
Prabhupāda: They may say, they . . . because we take them as rascals, why shall I take their words? We should consider them a rascals, that's all. (someone shouts nastily in background—Prabhupāda barks at them) (laughter) Another rascal. He is enjoying life. So the world is full of rascals. We must be very much pessimistic, not at all optimistic of this world. Unless you become pessimistic, you will not be able to go back to home. If you have little attraction for this world—"It is good"—then you have to remain here. Yes. Kṛṣṇa is so strict.
Amogha: But Jesus said, "Love thy brother as thyself." So if we love our brother . . .
Prabhupāda: That we are loving. We are giving Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is loving, real loving. We are giving him eternal life, eternal bliss. Unless we love them, why we are taking so much trouble? The preacher must love the people. Otherwise why he is taking? He can do it for himself at home. Why he is taking so much trouble? Why in eighty years old I have come here if I do not love? So who can love better than a preacher? He loves even the animals. Therefore they are preaching, "Don't take meat." Do they love the animals, rascals? They are eating, and they love their country, that's all. Nobody loves. It is simply sense gratification. If somebody loves, he is Kṛṣṇa conscious, that's all. All rascals. They are after their own sense gratification, and they will put a signboard, "I love everyone." This is their business. And fools are accepting, "Oh, this man is very philanthropic." He does not love any man. He loves only senses. That's all. The servant of the senses, that's all. Everyone is working because he is getting money. Where is the love? The minister, the prime minister, everyone, if they say, "No money, no salary," nobody will go there. He takes the opportunity of taking money by bribe, by this way. Therefore they are: "I love your country. Elect me as president." That's all.