Prabhupāda: You are rascal, you cannot understand how the machine is working, how big it is. That is your dullness. But it is a machine, very big machine. You cannot understand—that is not, that this is not a machine. This is not very good argument, that "I cannot understand, therefore it is not a machine." But you see the idea machine is there already, everything is going on—machine.
Śrutakīrti: It is such a good machine it doesn't require an operator.
Paramahaṁsa: That is the wonder of it.
Prabhupāda: No. That is wrong. You cannot find out in your experience anywhere, any machine which is not being operated by a person. You cannot find it. Then why do you bring this idea that without operator it is going on? Where you get this idea? This is a false idea. Because you have no such experience. Where is the machine that "Here is a machine going on without any operator"? Find out a machine.
Paramahaṁsa: We're trying. We're trying. (laughter) There are some automatic machines.
Prabhupāda: Automatic is at the hand of the operator, button.
Śrutakīrti: Someone must turn it on and off.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no such automatic machine. It is impossible to prove.
Gaṇeśa: But we can see the operator of these small machines, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We cannot see the operator of this big machine.