Prabhupāda: We are not working on deha. Deha means body, and dehi means the owner of the body. So our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is about the activities of the owner of the body, not the body. But the whole world is going on on acting on the body. That is the defect. Therefore it takes very, very long time to understand. Those who are thinking, "I am this body . . ." One who knows that "I am not this body; I am soul, spirit soul," then his spiritual education. They do not know what is spiritual education. What do they mean generally, spiritual education?
Satsvarūpa: Some religion, knowledge about one of the religions, or nowadays meditation, like that.
Prabhupāda: Meditation? What is the ultimate goal? That means no perfect knowledge. The so-called meditation is very popular, but what meditation? What is subject matter of meditation? You can close it. It is closed?
Satsvarūpa: Close the blind? There's a draft coming in, but the windows are closed.
Prabhupāda: Not closed. Yes, now it is closed. Just make it point three. It is on two. That's it.