Prabhupāda: He's realizing like that. That is realization. Caitanya Mahāprabhu also used to do that. That is highest stage, mahā-bhāva.
Indian: Mahā-bhāva, yes...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian: So then I go in bhajana, wash out everything; I feel myself that there is only soul, no body. And then you see a man who sings or who are present, you see, they are also not their body. Simply soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes, forget all material... Yes.
Indian: All these things. Then there is only soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is perfectional, liberated stage.
Indian: Liberated stage.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian: And have you explained anything about this in your Gītā, in fifteen... You see? These three...?
Prabhupāda: Gītā is just to understand what is God. And then, when you are actually engaged in God's service, these things come. That is higher stage. Gītā is the ABCD of understanding God.
Indian: So it will give you some more reflection... You see...
Prabhupāda: Yes. But if we accept the ABCD, then we come to literature. Then we pass M.A. examination. Yes. So Gītā is the preliminary step, first step of understanding God.