Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta, it's very clear that if one does not accept Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, then actually he cannot worship Kṛṣṇa properly.
Prabhupāda: That's a fact.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now just to carry on with Acyutānanda Mahārāja's point, it would seem then that the Rāmānujis and the Madhvites, they don't accept Caitanya Mahāprabhu as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So how can they possibly...
Prabhupāda: Therefore they cannot understand the higher rasas.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Unnata-ujjvala-rasam, they cannot understand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, they can understand śānta-rasa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Dāsya-rasa.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But not sākhya.
Prabhupāda: Not more than that. They cannot meditate. There is no paternal rasa or madhurya-rasa in their community.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And the Vallabhites, they also... Actually they don't accept Caitanya Mahāprabhu. They say Vallabhācārya is their Mahāprabhu. And they worship in...
Prabhupāda: Vallabhācārya was rejected by Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I know that. So actually...
Prabhupāda: He was simply proud of his education. He had no realization.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You explained that...
Acyutānanda: Do they worship in vātsalya-rasa or just show?
Prabhupāda: Show, formality.
Acyutānanda: It's not genuine.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's not genuine.
Prabhupāda: Some of them say that "Kṛṣṇa, becoming, before becoming polluted." They say like that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, they do.
Prabhupāda: That means childhood age, there is no pollution, and youthhood age, Kṛṣṇa's, it was polluted by the gopīs. This is their version. Kṛṣṇa becomes polluted.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, they say like that.
Prabhupāda: Do they say like that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. I have spoken to them, in Hyderabad, that Bāla Kṛṣṇa dāsa. And another thing they say is that Rādhārāṇī's name is not mentioned in Bhāgavata. So this whole emphasis on Rādhā is not correct.
Acyutānanda: Is not correct.
Prabhupāda: That means they cannot understand rādhā-kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛti. They cannot understand. And therefore in their community you won't find any high-class devotee. Simply official sentiment. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I... Is Vallabhācārya...? So he cannot be considered in proper line.
Prabhupāda: Because Vallabhācārya was rejected by Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's in the line with...
Prabhupāda: He accepted him as learned scholar, but He did not accept him as very highly realized soul.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, you explained that before. His guru, Vallabhācārya's guru, is... He's in Mādhavendra Purī's line?
Prabhupāda: Hm? No.
Acyutānanda: Viṣṇu Svāmī...
Prabhupāda: They come in the Viṣṇu Svāmī. I do not exactly know who was his immediate guru.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh. I'm just trying to clear these points up because, I remember when I was preaching in South India, this discussion came up, that... Just like Mādhavendra Purī, he found the Deity of Gopāla, and you've explained...
Prabhupāda: That is our Gauḍīya. Mādhavendra Purī is Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. You explained how he was worshiping the Deity. Now, that Deity of Gopāla...
Acyutānanda: Śrīnāthjī.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīnāthjī. So that Deity was eventually handed over?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Acyutānanda: During Mohammedans, the Deity was moved.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And Vallabhācārya...
Acyutānanda: I heard that after the death of Vallabhācārya, Sanātana Gosvāmī told his son to worship the Gopāla Deity. He engaged his son, Vallabhācārya's son, as a pūjārī in Govardhana. So then it came into their hands.
Prabhupāda: Hm? That may be, yes.
Acyutānanda: Then, when the Deity was moved, it was moved to Nāthadvāra, and now they, now they are...
Prabhupāda: When the Deity was given to them, they could do anything.
Acyutānanda: Yes. 'Cause his son was all hopeless that "The ācārya is dead and my father is dead." He didn't know what to do. But they have written... They have pictures. They draw pictures of Śrīnāthjī on Govardhana, and Vallabhācārya is worshiping Him, all over.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is a big... That's the reason. It's a big mistake. I had a discussion with one man. So I was stating that Mādhavendra Purī found this Deity, Gopāla, but their teaching is that Vallabhācārya found the Deity. I said, "No, Mādhavendra Purī handed the Deity over later on for worship, but it was he who found the Deity and originated the worship on Govardhana, and all the villagers..."
Prabhupāda: It has been confirmed in the court that this Deity belongs to Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇavas. There was big case amongst themselves, and the court gave judgement that "This Deity belongs to the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava."
Acyutānanda: Oh. When was that court case?
Prabhupāda: Say, about four, five years ago. No, about ten to fifteen years ago.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Recently.
Acyutānanda: Who represented the Gauḍīya...?
Prabhupāda: Nobody, but from the history it was found that it belonged to Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava. That... In Delhi one lawyer is there. He knows. He told me. (long pause)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In our society, some devotees have an idea to spend money by employing professional men to advertise our society in so many different ways through advertising campaigns, etc. My idea is that our money should be spent on direct preaching. In other words, that can't...
Prabhupāda: Then we are spending advertisement, for?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, sometimes I know... Just... I mean they hire professional firms to assist in public relations work.
Prabhupāda: Not in... What is that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: As an example, last year at Ratha-yātrā, two thousand dollars were spent to hire a professional group to assist them in making up the advertisements and other things, giving them guidance, general assistance...
Prabhupāda: If you get really assistance, there is no harm. Just like sometimes we go to the court; we pay to the lawyer because we are not expert. In that sense, it can be spent.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But cautiously.
Prabhupāda: Yes. For nothing, because you have got money, no. Unless it is urgently or absolute necessary, you should not spend.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And there should be some... There should be some limitation. We should not spend tens of thousands of dollars...
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...in such a way.
Acyutānanda: They shouldn't listen to the decisions of these professional men if they say, "Don't do this and don't do that."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.
Prabhupāda: The president should be restricted that "You cannot spend more than this amount without sanction of GBC."
Acyutānanda: When we were in Bombay, there was an organization man, that one gentleman who was discussing with Bhagavān about the general organization of the Society, that you suggested we talk to him...
Prabhupāda: So many, they came. They simply talk.
Acyutānanda: There was one who...
Prabhupāda: They do not help.
Acyutānanda: No, when we were talking to him, he said that every temple should have its budget, and over that budget, the GBC should sanction. They have two accounts.
Prabhupāda: (Hums) Hmm...
Acyutānanda: Prabhupāda... (break) Mahāṁsa Mahārāja got the customs duty waiver for the buses from Germany... (break) What about the bullock carts?
Prabhupāda: Bullock cart is very good for India.
Acyutānanda: But that's for the small villages. The big towns, they're very far apart.
Prabhupāda: Hm hm. Well, you are not supposed to go to the small villages. (end)