Prabhupāda: Hmm. They are keeping them in control. That is the way they should be kept in control, śūdras. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ...very anti-Communist. They have an anti-Communist terrorism act. Anyone who is too much leading in their Communist ideas, they put them away. They have an island called Robert's Island. They simply detain them there indefinitely. (break) Very stable. Very stable.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. That is nice.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They don't have a welfare state here.
Prabhupāda: Why? That is not good. People will be lazy. In special cases the government may give some help, not that the bachelor daddies, and getting welfare, all the girls, and going to be prostitutes. In America they have created purposefully prostitutes. They know they will get money, and they have illicit sex. That's all. The social condition is not good.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: (aside to driver:) You can go down by the Strand. (break) ...parks here, Śrīla Prabhupāda, but they open up later.
Prabhupāda: Oh. When they open?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: About seven-thirty. Botanical gardens. (break)
Prabhupāda: These are owned by Indians?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: These are some Muslim shops and Indian shops mostly. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...are employed in the factory?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Very menial labor, driving trucks and delivery and... Gokulendra, when he went to...
Prabhupāda: They are given equal facility for education?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No. When Gokulendra went to England he saw a European man with a pick in his hand, and he couldn't believe it, because in South Africa you never see a European person with a pick opening up the street. Only the Africans do things like that. And they'll have one European man standing there, directing. He'll make so much money. (break)
Prabhupāda: Indians are taken within the group of black? No.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Well, they have "white" and "non-white." So technically speaking, they can classify all of the Indians as non-white. But at the same time, there is more division, and they have Indian community, and they have the colored community and the African community.
Prabhupāda: The government officer, responsible post, they are offered to the Indians? No.