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| [[Category:Bhakta]] | | [[Category:Bhakta - Devotees of God]] |
| [[Category:Are Not]] | | [[Category:Devotees of God Are Not Ajnani]] |
| [[Category:Jnani]] | | [[Category:Jnani]] |
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| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Bhaktas are not ajñānī.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Bhaktas are not ajñānī.</p> |
| <p>Dr. Patel: Myself, I don't talk of others.</p> | | <p>Dr. Patel: Myself, I don't talk of others.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no, yourself also. A bhaktas, they're not ajñānī. That is rascaldom. If says the bhaktas are ajñānī, that is rascaldom because Kṛṣṇa says, teṣām evānukampārtham aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ, nāśayāmi ([[Vanisource:BG 10.11|BG 10.11]]). If Kṛṣṇa helps him to become jñānī, then how he's ajñānī? It is a, ignorance, they say bhaktas are not jñānīs. Without jñāna, there is no question of bhakta. Jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā ([[Vanisource:SB 1.2.12|SB 1.2.12]]). Bhakta means he's already qualified with jñāna and vairāgya. That is bhakta.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: No, no, yourself also. A bhaktas, they're not ajñānī. That is rascaldom. If says the bhaktas are ajñānī, that is rascaldom because Kṛṣṇa says, teṣām evānukampārtham aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ, nāśayāmi ([[Vanisource:BG 10.11 (1972)|BG 10.11]]). If Kṛṣṇa helps him to become jñānī, then how he's ajñānī? It is a, ignorance, they say bhaktas are not jñānīs. Without jñāna, there is no question of bhakta. Jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā ([[Vanisource:SB 1.2.12|SB 1.2.12]]). Bhakta means he's already qualified with jñāna and vairāgya. That is bhakta.</p> |
| :vāsudeve bhagavati | | :vāsudeve bhagavati |
| :bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ | | :bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ |
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| <p>It is a mistaken idea, the bhaktas are not very advanced in knowledge.</p> | | <p>It is a mistaken idea, the bhaktas are not very advanced in knowledge.</p> |
| <p>Dr. Patel: Bhaktas are...</p> | | <p>Dr. Patel: Bhaktas are...</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: They have got real knowledge. They have got real knowledge. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19|BG 7.19]]). When they have surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, they are really jñānī.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: They have got real knowledge. They have got real knowledge. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]). When they have surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, they are really jñānī.</p> |
| <p>Dr. Patel: But some of the absolutely ignorant people, they have become, but...</p> | | <p>Dr. Patel: But some of the absolutely ignorant people, they have become, but...</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no. We don't say, we don't speak of "some." This is the, yes, there are many...</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no. We don't say, we don't speak of "some." This is the, yes, there are many...</p> |
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| <div class="heading">If any person without any knowledge, if he surrenders only to Kṛṣṇa, he acquires all the knowledge. He has surpassed all stages. He has surpassed all stages. | | <div class="heading">If any person without any knowledge, if he surrenders only to Kṛṣṇa, he acquires all the knowledge. He has surpassed all stages. He has surpassed all stages. |
| </div> | | </div> |
| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 4.24-34 -- New York, August 12, 1966|Lecture on BG 4.24-34 -- New York, August 12, 1966]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate... ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19|BG 7.19]]). This mām means the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So anyone who comes to that Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is in the highest perfection of knowledge. (break)</p> | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 4.24-34 -- New York, August 12, 1966|Lecture on BG 4.24-34 -- New York, August 12, 1966]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate... ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]). This mām means the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So anyone who comes to that Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is in the highest perfection of knowledge. (break)</p> |
| <p>Indian: ...a man has plenty of spiritual knowledge and Vedic religion or a man has plenty of faith in heart.</p> | | <p>Indian: ...a man has plenty of spiritual knowledge and Vedic religion or a man has plenty of faith in heart.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is...</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is...</p> |
| <p>Indian: I mean, in other words, if bhakta were ajñānī.</p> | | <p>Indian: I mean, in other words, if bhakta were ajñānī.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No. It is just like... In the Bhagavad-gītā it is clearly stated that bhakto 'si me priyo 'si: ([[Vanisource:BG 4.3|BG 4.3]]) "Because you are My devotee, you are My most dear friend."</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: No. It is just like... In the Bhagavad-gītā it is clearly stated that bhakto 'si me priyo 'si: ([[Vanisource:BG 4.3 (1972)|BG 4.3]]) "Because you are My devotee, you are My most dear friend."</p> |
| <p>Indian: Why it is?</p> | | <p>Indian: Why it is?</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: That is His option. That you ask Kṛṣṇa. He says.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: That is His option. That you ask Kṛṣṇa. He says.</p> |
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Why? Kṛṣṇa says. You cannot say...</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Why? Kṛṣṇa says. You cannot say...</p> |
| <p>Indian: Because if we go wholeheartedly to God without proper understanding, there is also a flaw.</p> | | <p>Indian: Because if we go wholeheartedly to God without proper understanding, there is also a flaw.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No. There is no question of understanding. Suppose this process... Just like Kṛṣṇa says, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate: ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19|BG 7.19]]) "After many, many births of culture of knowledge, the person who has come to the highest point of knowledge, he surrenders unto Me." So similarly, if any person without any knowledge, if he surrenders only to Kṛṣṇa, he acquires all the knowledge. He has surpassed all stages. He has surpassed all stages. And that is also confirmed. If you say, "How he has gone, surpassed all stage?" That answer in Bhagavad-gītā you find,</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: No. There is no question of understanding. Suppose this process... Just like Kṛṣṇa says, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate: ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]) "After many, many births of culture of knowledge, the person who has come to the highest point of knowledge, he surrenders unto Me." So similarly, if any person without any knowledge, if he surrenders only to Kṛṣṇa, he acquires all the knowledge. He has surpassed all stages. He has surpassed all stages. And that is also confirmed. If you say, "How he has gone, surpassed all stage?" That answer in Bhagavad-gītā you find,</p> |
| :teṣām evānukampārtham | | :teṣām evānukampārtham |
| :aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ | | :aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ |
| :nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho | | :nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho |
| :jñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā | | :jñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 10.11|BG 10.11]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 10.11 (1972)|BG 10.11]]) |
| <p>Teṣām: "Because he is a devotee, just to give, just to show him a special favor," teṣām evānukampārtham, "simply for showing a special favor, I Myself, from within, I light up the knowledge, I mean to say, searchlight, and he becomes..."</p> | | <p>Teṣām: "Because he is a devotee, just to give, just to show him a special favor," teṣām evānukampārtham, "simply for showing a special favor, I Myself, from within, I light up the knowledge, I mean to say, searchlight, and he becomes..."</p> |
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| <div class="heading">So bhakti means when one has attained real jñānam. Without real jñānam, nobody can become bhakta. The foolish person says that bhakti's meant for ajñānī, or less intelligent. No. Bhakti is meant for the most intelligent person. | | <div class="heading">So bhakti means when one has attained real jñānam. Without real jñānam, nobody can become bhakta. The foolish person says that bhakti's meant for ajñānī, or less intelligent. No. Bhakti is meant for the most intelligent person. |
| </div> | | </div> |
| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.25.18 -- Bombay, November 18, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.25.18 -- Bombay, November 18, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ (Bs. 5.1). And Kṛṣṇa also says in the Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat ([[Vanisource:BG 7.7|BG 7.7]]). There are many īśvaras, or īśas. That is all right, but "Nobody is greater than Me." That is Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam ([[Vanisource:SB 1.3.28|SB 1.3.28]]). So this is jñāna. So as soon as one comes to this conclusion, that "Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I am Kṛṣṇa's part and parcel. I have got the same quality as Kṛṣṇa has got, but He is Prabhu, I am servant. He is master, and I am servant," this is perfect knowledge. Then jñāna-vairāgya-yuktena bhakti-yuktena ([[Vanisource:SB 3.25.18|SB 3.25.18]]).</p> | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.25.18 -- Bombay, November 18, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.25.18 -- Bombay, November 18, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ (Bs. 5.1). And Kṛṣṇa also says in the Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat ([[Vanisource:BG 7.7 (1972)|BG 7.7]]). There are many īśvaras, or īśas. That is all right, but "Nobody is greater than Me." That is Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam ([[Vanisource:SB 1.3.28|SB 1.3.28]]). So this is jñāna. So as soon as one comes to this conclusion, that "Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I am Kṛṣṇa's part and parcel. I have got the same quality as Kṛṣṇa has got, but He is Prabhu, I am servant. He is master, and I am servant," this is perfect knowledge. Then jñāna-vairāgya-yuktena bhakti-yuktena ([[Vanisource:SB 3.25.18|SB 3.25.18]]).</p> |
| <p>So bhakti means when one has attained real jñānam. Without real jñānam, nobody can become bhakta. The foolish person says that bhakti's meant for ajñānī, or less intelligent. No. Bhakti is meant for the most intelligent person. Because bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19|BG 7.19]]). You become experienced, very, very experienced, after many, many years. So it is not many, many years, but many, many births, one actually becomes jñānī. And what is that jñāna? Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19|BG 7.19]]). That is jñānam. So long you cannot understand Kṛṣṇa, or Vāsudeva, you should understand yourself that you are still fool. You may advertise yourself as very jñānī, but you are fool. That is the shastric conclusion. Because if you are actually jñānī, then you should have surrendered to Kṛṣṇa.</p> | | <p>So bhakti means when one has attained real jñānam. Without real jñānam, nobody can become bhakta. The foolish person says that bhakti's meant for ajñānī, or less intelligent. No. Bhakti is meant for the most intelligent person. Because bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]). You become experienced, very, very experienced, after many, many years. So it is not many, many years, but many, many births, one actually becomes jñānī. And what is that jñāna? Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]). That is jñānam. So long you cannot understand Kṛṣṇa, or Vāsudeva, you should understand yourself that you are still fool. You may advertise yourself as very jñānī, but you are fool. That is the shastric conclusion. Because if you are actually jñānī, then you should have surrendered to Kṛṣṇa.</p> |
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