Dr. Patel: Of course, everything is by Kṛṣṇa. The man is diseased by Kṛṣṇa, I am produced by Kṛṣṇa, I'll care by Kṛṣṇa this, that man, and that man dies, he will die by Kṛṣṇa's grace.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Dr. Patel: Then that is Kṛṣṇa's grace.
Prabhupāda: Then that is all right.
Dr. Patel: That is what I have been saying.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's all right. That is Kṛṣṇa conscious. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: I think I am not wrong. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: No, when in everything you see Kṛṣṇa, that is the highest stage. That is the highest stage.
sthāvara-jaṅgama dekhe, nā dekhe tāra mūrti
- sarvatra haya nija iṣṭa-deva-sphūrti
- (CC Madhya 8.274)
When one sees, he sees this beach, but he does not see beach, he sees Kṛṣṇa. That is the highest stage.
Dr. Patel: I was meaning that, but unfortunately my expression was very poor.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that may be.
Dr. Patel: I am not student of literature like you.
Prabhupāda: Nothing can exist.... mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam. So everything is Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam. Where is not Kṛṣṇa? But the Māyāvādī says, "Everything is Kṛṣṇa; therefore let me worship the sand." That is rascaldom. "What is the use of going to the temple? Let me worship the sand." That is rascaldom. Kṛṣṇa says clearly, therefore,
- mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ
- jagad avyakta-mūrtinā
- mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni
- na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ
- (BG 9.4)
Dr. Patel: Na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ means no more important.(?)
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: So I look a fool and they'll become wise, all of them, eh?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. You are wise.
Dr. Patel: They want that I should say something, and then you call me a rascal, and they take pleasure in it.
Guru dāsa: No, no. Para-duḥkhī.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. I say all right...
Guru dāsa: Vaiṣṇava is not happy in someone else's misery.