Rāmeśvara: Actually you wrote that, that the educational system simply turns man into a dog going from door to door, begging for some...
Prabhupāda: This is... Why the Indian professors are going outside?
Gargamuni: Brain-drain, they have called.
Prabhupāda: Because they cannot get here suitable job.
Rāmeśvara: No salary.
Gargamuni: I read in the paper that India lost $850,000,000 by the brain drain because all of its intelligentsia is leaving.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gargamuni: They're going to Europe and America.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gargamuni: Especially America.
Prabhupāda: No, Canada also. Canada, I have seen in the university. Almost majority of the professors, they are Indian. Yes. All over the world they like Indians. They take small salary. For them it is high salary, but for Europe, America, it is cheaper. And they're intelligent, so they give service. I was given this permanent residence...
Gargamuni: Yes, in Canada.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Seeing my books. That Consulate General in Montreal, he, when he read my The Teachings of Lord Caitanya, he immediately became attracted.
Gargamuni: You spent only twenty-five dollars, and we spent so much on lawyers.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Twenty-five or thirty-five dollars.
Gargamuni: We were hiring lawyers in New York.
Prabhupāda: The lawyer was taking monthly at least three hundred dollars and postponing. That's all.
Rāmeśvara: Naturally. So he can continue getting money.
Prabhupāda: He would phone Rayarāma, "Will you kindly send me $150 today." And he has to send. And he was simply postponing date. That's all.
Gargamuni: He would call on the phone.
Rāmeśvara: I heard that you once said, "Lawyer means liar."
Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughs)