Bob: But you must be the best devotee, and you...
Prabhupāda: Hmm. No, I don't consider I am the best devotee. I am the lowest.
Bob: No! No!
Prabhupāda: You are the best devotee.
Bob: (laughter) Oh, no! But see, you say, what you say..., it always, always seems right.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but...
Bob: So then you must be the best devotee.
Prabhupāda: Yes, the thing is that even the best devotee, when he preaches, he comes to the second-class devotee.
Bob: What would the best devotee be doing?
Prabhupāda: The best devotee does not preach.
Bob: What does he do?
Prabhupāda: He sees there is no need of preaching; everyone is devotee. (Bob laughs) Yes. He sees no more nondevotee, all devotee.
Yaśodānandana: Uttama-adhikārī?
Prabhupāda: Uttama-adhikārī. But while I am preaching, how can I say I am the best devotee?