Prabhupāda: When Arjuna refused to fight, He chastised him like anything. What is the . . . Anārya-juṣṭam? He's just like non-Āryans, talking foolish. People should clearly understand that we don't encourage laziness. We never encourage. According to your capacity, guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ (BG 4.13), you must work. Śarīra yātrāpi te na prasiddhyed akarmaṇaḥ (BG 3.8), Kṛṣṇa says. "By not working, even if you cannot pull on your body and soul together." Kṛṣṇa says like that.
Dayānanda: Isn't laziness one of the demonic qualities, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: It is less than demonic. Demonic qualities, they have some activity, and laziness is ignorance, darkness. Therefore too much sleeping is very, very bad. That is another part of laziness. Nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau: one has to conquer over this sleeping and laziness. Eating, nidrā, ahāra, vihāra, sense gratification. Vihāra means sense gratification. One has to minimize these things up to the point of nil. That is perfection. When there is no more sleeping, no more eating, no more mating and no more fearing, that is perfection of spiritual life. And that is not possible, but as much as possible. (break) . . .some cases they cannot sleep more that the culture is very great gain, profit.
Hṛdayānanda: Consider a rich man. A rich man can sleep, a poor man must work.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Hṛdayānanda: They're always making agitation to reduce what they call the work week. Formerly they were working so many hours per week; now they want to reduce it down to forty, thirty, twenty hours per week.
Prabhupāda: So why they're inventing machine? Machine means no work.
Hṛdayānanda: They think this is progress. Everyone can lie down, and the machines will work.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Machine, inventing machine means one machine can work for fifty men. The banks are using this, what is that, computer?
Hṛdayānanda: Yes, everyone is using computers.