Carol Jarvis: No, I'm not unhappy. I'm perfectly happy.
Prabhupāda: No, that is your ignorance. Nobody is happy. That is . . . then it is the happiness of the dog. He is also thinking happy. The hog is also thinking happy. That is another illusion. The dog may be a very big dog, and he can bark very nicely, but he is not happy because he has got a master. As soon as the master, "Come here," "Yes." Chain.
Carol Jarvis: But all of these people have a master. You do the same to them. You call them and they jump.
Prabhupāda: No.
Carol Jarvis: That's the same as a dog coming to its master.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But to have a real master and to have a false master . . .
Carol Jarvis: What's the difference?
Prabhupāda: Just like a physician. He is asking that, "Come here. Lie down." His knife . . . you know that he'll make surgical . . . he agrees. But if somebody, rogue, says that, "I shall cut your throat," he'll not agree. That is intelligence. A physician is also with the knife, and the rogue is also with the knife. When the physician says: "You lie down. I shall have some surgical operation," he agrees to ply on his body the knife. But he'll never agree if he knows that, "He is a rogue. He'll simply cut my throat." That is the difference. But superficially you see, "Both of them are with knife," but one for real happiness, one for false thing.
Carol Jarvis: I find it hard to see the difference.