Prabhupāda: Caitanya Mahāprabhu also used to say that "I am a fool." And that is the . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Patel: So I am in a good company now. (laughs) I think so.
Prabhupāda: Certainly. Certainly.
Trivikrama: Everyone in a body means . . .
Prabhupāda: Guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana (CC Adi 7.71). Guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana. A student should always remain to be chastised by guru. That is his right position. And as soon as he thinks that he has become more than his guru, then he'll be finished, his career.
Trivikrama: Jumping over the head.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. Just like our Nitāi. (chuckles) This is the difficulty. Caitanya Mahāprabhu remained—guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana: "My Guru Mahārāja has chastised Me because I am fool number one." So Caitanya Mahāprabhu is fool? But He's showing the example that you should always remain . . .
Dr. Patel: The avatāras shall behave like common men. Otherwise They will not be . . . all avatāras behave like common men.
Prabhupāda: Our Guru Mahārāja, so strict. A little discrepancy, he would chastise like anything. But we liked it very much.
Indian (2): Guru's chastise is the mercy.
Prabhupāda: Śiṣyaṁ ca putraṁ ca tāḍayen na tu lālayet (Nīti Śāstra). That is Cāṇakya Paṇḍita's instruction. "The sons and disciples should always be chastised. Never pat them."
Dr. Patel: Tāḍayet must be returned.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Dr. Patel: Tāḍayet may be returned.
Prabhupāda: Tāḍayet means taraṇa, chastisement.
Indian (3): Actually we were so rapt, we wish to be beaten by your stick on our head.
Prabhupāda: Śiṣya, this word, very word, means voluntarily accepting the chastisement. This word, śiṣ, śās, śās-dhātu. From śās-dhātu comes śastra. Śastra means weapon. So weapon is meant for maintaining peace and order. And śāstra, śāsana. These are the derivation from original root . . . śiṣya. Śiṣya means who has voluntarily accepted to be chastised and ruled by the spiritual master.
Dr. Patel: Śikṣā means instruction. So the one who takes the instruction is śiṣya, śikṣā.
Prabhupāda: To obey. Śiṣya means to obey, discipline.
Dr. Patel: Live under the paternity of guru to learn.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Voluntarily giving him the right to rule over.