Śrutakīrti: Punar janma na vidyate. "From the highest planet in the material world to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again."
Prabhupāda: Just see. So going to the higher planetary system means to achieve higher standard of life, but that does not mean solution of material problems. Just like Western country, they are supposed to be living in higher standard of life than Eastern countries, but that does not mean they have conquered over death. That's not possible. They might possess a nice motorcar, but the Eastern man may not possess; he has a bullock cart. This much advancement may be there. But the death, birth, death, is the same in the Eastern and the Western.
Guru-gaurāṅga: Why should we think that birth and death is so painful, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Because wherever we are, we can think about Kṛṣṇa . . .
Prabhupāda: But you feel pain, or do you like to die?
Guru-gaurāṅga: Well, some people like to travel.
Prabhupāda: Why it is painful? That is painful. You, even if you think, shudder that, "I have to die immediately," you'll shudder immediately. It is very painful. It is very painful, because as soon as you die, you are again packed up within the womb of the mother to develop another body. And that is also not certain. Nowadays the father, mother is killing the child. So even if you develop a body to come with the expectation to come out, the father, mother kills you, again you have to enter another mother's body. Again you may be killed. This is the position of the sinful man. Because a man is sinful, he shudders, "Oh, again death is coming."
So you, you cannot argue. Death is very painful. It is so painful that at the last stage, because the pain is not tolerated, the soul immediately gives up the body. Just like a man commits suicide. It is very painful. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha (BG 13.9). It is painful. Duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam. Anudarśanam means if he's a foolish, if he cannot understand, then he should understand described by higher authorities. It is painful. So unless you make a solution that no more birth, there is no question of getting out of the painful condition of material condition. That's not possible.