Prabhupāda: Fallen anywhere when Kṛṣṇa is forgotten. That is fallen.
Revatīnandana: Yes. But what I thought was then that just like in the room there's so many particles of light, already inconceivable, and then the whole brahmajyoti is all fallen souls, and they become so inconceivable it was making my head spin.
Prabhupāda: Not so fallen as they are in the matter.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah. Separated. Separated.
Revatīnandana: But not in their constitutional position.
Prabhupāda: But not as fallen as those who are in this material.
Revatīnandana: That's right, but still if they go there, they'll sometimes . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Revatīnandana: . . . come back . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Revatīnandana: . . . here again.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now, now, they are not pure.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Revatīnandana: That's right.
Prabhupāda: They are not pure.
Devotee: Oh.
Prabhupāda: That is stated in the Bhāgavata: aviśuddha-buddhayā. Aviśuddha. Aviśuddha means not purified.
Revatīnandana: Are they, are they less fallen because they are doing . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Revatīnandana: . . . some service?
Prabhupāda: Whether, it is clearly stated . . .
Revatīnandana: By lighting it up?
Prabhupāda: Aviśuddha-buddhayā. Aviśuddha. Buddhi means intelligence. Aviśuddha means unclean, contaminated, still con . . .
Revatīnandana: Unclean intelligence, yes. So they're realizing . . .
Prabhupāda: That they, they, they think that they have become liberated, but śāstra says no, it is not yet liberated. Aviśuddha-buddhayā. Still there is contamination.
Revatīnandana: I see. It was just making my head spin to think of so many fallen souls. That there they also, to some extent, they are also fallen. Here there are so many fallen souls. Then you see . . .
Prabhupāda: Ananta.
Revatīnandana: . . . most souls . . .
Prabhupāda: You can . . . you cannot, you cannot say how many. Ananta. Saḥ anantāya kalpanā. Ananta means unlimited number. You, you . . . there is no question of counting.
Śyāmasundara: Our brain is so tiny.
Revatīnandana: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: Therefore is acintya.
Revatīnandana: Kṛṣṇa's so great.