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Prabhupāda: Prayers. That's all. There are ten kinds of offenses in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. There are three stages of this chanting process. The first stage is offensive stage, and the second stage is light stage, and the third stage is liberated stage. So generally in the beginning we are almost in the offensive stage but we shall try to avoid the ten kinds of offenses as it will be explained. You have got printed copy. You take it. The first offense is śruti-śāstra-nindanam. No scripture of the world should be blasphemed. Śruti, especially Vedas. Śruti means Vedas. Actually, Vedas are the original scripture. Gradually many other scriptures have developed. They are called smṛti. Śruti smṛti.
Prabhupāda: Prayers. That's all. There are ten kinds of offenses in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. There are three stages of this chanting process. The first stage is offensive stage, and the second stage is light stage, and the third stage is liberated stage. So generally in the beginning we are almost in the offensive stage, but we shall try to avoid the ten kinds of offenses as it will be explained. You have got printed copy. You'll take it. The first offense is ''śruti-śāstra-nindanam'' (''Padma Purāṇa''). No scripture of the world should be blasphemed. ''Śruti'', especially Vedas. ''Śruti'' means Vedas.  
 
Actually, Vedas are the original scripture. Gradually many other scriptures have developed. They are called ''smṛti. Śruti smṛti''.
 
:''śruti-smṛti-purāṇadi-''
:''pāṣcarātriki vidhiṁ vinā''
:''aikāntikī harer bhaktir''
:''utpātāyaiva kalpate''
:(Brs. 1.2.101)
 
This is the definition given by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, that to become a devotee of the Lord, Kṛṣṇa, one has to follow the principles of ''śruti'' and ''smṛti'', and ''pāṣcarātriki-vidhi''. Especially in this age, ''Kali-yuga'', there is no ''Vedic vidhi'', because ''Vedic vidhi ''is lost. Formerly, initiation was offered to a person who is actually born of a ''brahmin'' father. Otherwise . . . or the higher caste, the ''brahmins'', the ''kṣatriyas'' and the ''vaiśyas'', they were offered initiation, and the ''śūdras'' were not offered. That was the Vedic system.  


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But in this age the ''śāstra'' says that ''kalau śūdra sambhava''. In this age of Kali practically there is no more any ''brahmin'', ''kṣatriya'' or ''vaiśya''. Maybe by name, but in qualification they are not existing. Everyone is supposed to be ''śūdra''. So in ''Kali-yuga'' the ''pāṣcarātriki-vidhi'' is accepted. This ''pāṣcarātriki-vidhi'' is also ''Vedic vidhi'', corollary, given by Nārada Mahāmuni. But it is accepted by the Vedic followers, ''pāṣcarātriki-vidhi''.
:śruti-smṛti-purāṇādi-
:pāñcarātriki vidhiṁ vinā
:aikāntikī harer bhaktir
:utpātāyaiva kalpate
:(Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.101)
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This is the definition given by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, that to become a devotee of the Lord, Kṛṣṇa, one has to follow the principles of śruti and smṛti, and pāñcarātriki-vidhi. Especially in this age, Kali-yuga, there is no Vedic vidhi. Because Vedic vidhi is lost. Formerly, initiation was offered to a person who is actually born of a brāhmaṇa father. Otherwise... Or the higher caste, the brāhmaṇas, the kṣatriyas, and the vaiśyas, they were offered initiation, and the śūdras were not offered. That was the Vedic system. But in this age the śāstra says that kalau śūdra sambhava. In this age of Kali practically there is no more any brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, or vaiśya. Maybe by name, but in qualification they are not existing. Everyone is supposed to be śūdra. So in Kali-yuga the pāñcarātriki-vidhi is accepted. The pāñcarātriki-vidhi is also Vedic vidhi, corollary, given by Nārada Mahāmuni. But it is accepted by the Vedic followers, pāñcarātriki-vidhi.
''Pāṣcarātriki-vidhi'' means if anyone has a little inclination for spiritual development, he should be given chance. This initiation means to give chance. The ''Bhāgavata'' says that ''kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ'' ([[Vanisource:SB 2.4.18|SB 2.4.18]]).  


Pāñcarātriki-vidhi means if any one has a little inclination for spiritual development, he should be given chance. This initiation means to give chance. The Bhāgavata says that kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 2.4.18|SB 2.4.18]]). These are the list of the caṇḍālas or less than the śūdras. So Bhāgavata gives open road for everyone. Even one is kirāta... Kirāta means... Generally they are called aborigines, or the very black aborigines living in the jungles, they are called kirāta. In our country it is called hanta (?). So anyway, Hun, Hun a class of people in the hill side of north Arctic. They are called Huns. So kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā... There are very great list of the caṇḍālas, less than the śūdras. The Bhāgavata says ye 'nye ca pāpā, not these classes, even less than them, even they are born in the family of sinful tribe, they can be also purified. Śudhyanti, they can be also purified. Kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ, ye 'nye ca pāpā śudhyanti. They can be purified by association of Vaiṣṇava. Yad-apa, yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ. Upāśraya means just like a person who is a devotee of Kṛṣṇa and if anyone takes shelter of such devotee, he can be purified. This is called paramparā system.
These are the list of the ''caṇḍālas'', or less than the ''śūdras''. So ''Bhāgavata'' gives open road for everyone. Even one is ''kirāta'' . . . ''kirāta'' means . . . generally they are called aborigines, or the very black aborigines living in the jungles, they are called ''kirāta''. In our country it is called ''hantā''(?). So anyway, Hun, Hun, a class of people in the hill side of north Arctic zone, they are called Huns. So ''kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā'' . . . there are very great list of the ''caṇḍālas'', less than the ''śūdras''.  


So for this Bhāgavata-dharma, there is no restriction. Anywhere, any part of the world, they can accept this Bhāgavata-dharma. On that principle in Caitanya Mahāprabhu's life also He accepted many Muhammadans also as His disciples. Just like Ṭhākura Haridāsa, he was born in a Muhammadan family, and He took many Pathans as His disciples when He was coming back from Vṛndāvana. So in this system, disciplic system of Vedic process, there is no restriction. Anyone can come. And this is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā also. Bhagavad-gītā, Kṛṣṇa says that māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ. Never mind. Even one is born in a family which is considered to be sinful. Striya śūdrās tathā vaiśya. Even woman, the śūdra, and the mercantile class of men, anyone. Mām... Ye 'nye ca pāpā.
The ''Bhāgavata'' says ''ye 'nye ca pāpā'', not these classes, even less than them, even they are born in the family of sinful tribe, they can be also purified. ''Śudhyanti'': they can be also purified. ''Kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ, ye 'nye ca pāpā . . . ye 'nye ca pāpā śudhyanti'' ([[Vanisource:SB 2.4.18|SB 2.4.18]]). They can be purified by association of Vaiṣṇava. ''Ye 'nye ca pāpā yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ. Upāśraya'' means just like a person who is a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, and if anyone takes shelter of such devotee, he can be purified. This is called ''paramparā'' system.


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So for this ''bhāgavata-dharma'', there is no restriction. Anywhere, any part of the world, they can accept this ''bhāgavata-dharma''. On that principle in Caitanya Mahāprabhu's life also He accepted many Muhammadans also as His disciple. Just like Ṭhākura Haridāsa, he was born in a Muhammadan family; and He took many Pathans as disciple when He was coming back from Vṛndāvana. So in this system, disciplic system of Vedic process, there is no restriction. Anyone can come.  
:māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya
:ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ
:striya śūdrās tathā vaiśyās
:te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim
:([[Vanisource:BG 9.32|BG 9.32]])
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They can also be elevated to the highest platform of perfection by the process of initiation. And kiṁ punar brāhmaṇaḥ puṇyā bhaktā rājarṣayas tathā ([[Vanisource:BG 9.33|BG 9.33]]). Even such persons can be elevated, and what to speak of the brāhmaṇas, bhaktas, devotees, and rājarṣaya, and great kṣatriyas. There is nothing to speak about them. Even these people can be elevated.
And this is also confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā'', Kṛṣṇa says that ''māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ'' ([[Vanisource:BG 9.32 (1972)|BG 9.32]]). Never mind, even one is born in a family which is considered to be sinful. ''Striya śūdrās tathā vaiśya''. Even woman, the ''śūdra'', and the mercantile class of men—anyone. ''Mām . . . ye 'nye ca pāpā''.


So this Bhāgavata-dharma is very nice, it is universal, it can be accepted by everyone. Unfortunately, so long there was no preaching of this Bhāgavata-dharma. Now, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, Lord Caitanya, the Bhāgavata-dharma is now being expanded in the Western countries. I am very glad that boys and girls from this part of the world, they are also embracing and they are nicely chanting and following the rules and regulations. So I think Kṛṣṇa will be very... So initiation means this is the beginning. Now you have to follow the rules and regulations. What are the rules and regulations? Only four principles. Don't have any illicit sex life. Don't have any food besides prasādam or foodstuff offered to Kṛṣṇa. And Kṛṣṇa does not eat anything beyond the vegetarian group. Because in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26|BG 9.26]]). So you cannot offer Kṛṣṇa anything beyond this scope. So there is no question of nonvegetarian diet, including fish, eggs, even onions, and lentils, what is called? Lentils? That dahl, pulses? So you have got from your Godbrother, you will know. And you are eating here Kṛṣṇa prasādam. And no gambling and no intoxication, including smoking, tea taking, coffee taking. No gambling, no intoxication. These four principles. No illicit sex life, no nonvegetarian diet, no gambling, and no intoxication. These four principles have to be followed and in the beginning the offenses. Where is...? You read the offenses. You haven't got?
:''māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya''
:''ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ''
:''striya śūdrās tathā vaiśyās''
:''te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim''
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Pāñcarātriki-vidhi means if any one has a little inclination for spiritual development, he should be given chance. This initiation means to give chance.


Prabhupāda: Prayers. That's all. There are ten kinds of offenses in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. There are three stages of this chanting process. The first stage is offensive stage, and the second stage is light stage, and the third stage is liberated stage. So generally in the beginning we are almost in the offensive stage, but we shall try to avoid the ten kinds of offenses as it will be explained. You have got printed copy. You'll take it. The first offense is śruti-śāstra-nindanam (Padma Purāṇa). No scripture of the world should be blasphemed. Śruti, especially Vedas. Śruti means Vedas.

Actually, Vedas are the original scripture. Gradually many other scriptures have developed. They are called smṛti. Śruti smṛti.

śruti-smṛti-purāṇadi-
pāṣcarātriki vidhiṁ vinā
aikāntikī harer bhaktir
utpātāyaiva kalpate
(Brs. 1.2.101)

This is the definition given by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, that to become a devotee of the Lord, Kṛṣṇa, one has to follow the principles of śruti and smṛti, and pāṣcarātriki-vidhi. Especially in this age, Kali-yuga, there is no Vedic vidhi, because Vedic vidhi is lost. Formerly, initiation was offered to a person who is actually born of a brahmin father. Otherwise . . . or the higher caste, the brahmins, the kṣatriyas and the vaiśyas, they were offered initiation, and the śūdras were not offered. That was the Vedic system.

But in this age the śāstra says that kalau śūdra sambhava. In this age of Kali practically there is no more any brahmin, kṣatriya or vaiśya. Maybe by name, but in qualification they are not existing. Everyone is supposed to be śūdra. So in Kali-yuga the pāṣcarātriki-vidhi is accepted. This pāṣcarātriki-vidhi is also Vedic vidhi, corollary, given by Nārada Mahāmuni. But it is accepted by the Vedic followers, pāṣcarātriki-vidhi.

Pāṣcarātriki-vidhi means if anyone has a little inclination for spiritual development, he should be given chance. This initiation means to give chance. The Bhāgavata says that kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ (SB 2.4.18).

These are the list of the caṇḍālas, or less than the śūdras. So Bhāgavata gives open road for everyone. Even one is kirāta . . . kirāta means . . . generally they are called aborigines, or the very black aborigines living in the jungles, they are called kirāta. In our country it is called hantā(?). So anyway, Hun, Hun, a class of people in the hill side of north Arctic zone, they are called Huns. So kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā . . . there are very great list of the caṇḍālas, less than the śūdras.

The Bhāgavata says ye 'nye ca pāpā, not these classes, even less than them, even they are born in the family of sinful tribe, they can be also purified. Śudhyanti: they can be also purified. Kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ, ye 'nye ca pāpā . . . ye 'nye ca pāpā śudhyanti (SB 2.4.18). They can be purified by association of Vaiṣṇava. Ye 'nye ca pāpā yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ. Upāśraya means just like a person who is a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, and if anyone takes shelter of such devotee, he can be purified. This is called paramparā system.

So for this bhāgavata-dharma, there is no restriction. Anywhere, any part of the world, they can accept this bhāgavata-dharma. On that principle in Caitanya Mahāprabhu's life also He accepted many Muhammadans also as His disciple. Just like Ṭhākura Haridāsa, he was born in a Muhammadan family; and He took many Pathans as disciple when He was coming back from Vṛndāvana. So in this system, disciplic system of Vedic process, there is no restriction. Anyone can come.

And this is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā, Kṛṣṇa says that māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ (BG 9.32). Never mind, even one is born in a family which is considered to be sinful. Striya śūdrās tathā vaiśya. Even woman, the śūdra, and the mercantile class of men—anyone. Mām . . . ye 'nye ca pāpā.

māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya
ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ
striya śūdrās tathā vaiśyās
te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim
(BG 9.32)