Prabhupāda: If you follow the regulative principles, it will remain always Vaikuṇṭha. Otherwise, again material world.
Akṣayānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: A free hotel. (laughs) That's all. And free hotel will not endure.
Akṣayānanda: No.
Prabhupāda: Spirit of service must be maintained. . . . mukhe hi jivadau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ (CC Madhya 17.136). By service spirit, beginning with tongue: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then everything is revealed, Vaikuṇṭha atmosphere. Sethjī has not come out. (break) Yes.
Akṣayānanda: Of course we accept. . . Ah, when you tell us to chant sixteen rounds, we accept that figure as being, in perfect faith, that you're the ācārya. But, ah, what if others we want to convince, is there any, any, ah, śāstr. . . any Vedic verse we can refer to, to corroborate that at least they must chant sixteen rounds, or that many number of names?
Prabhupāda: No. In the śāstra it is not said like that. . .
Akṣayānanda: I see.
Prabhupāda: It is said, śaṅkhya-pūrvakaḥ. . .
Akṣayānanda: Śaṅkhya-pūrvakaḥ.
Prabhupāda: You must fix up.
Akṣayānanda: Counting.
Prabhupāda: You must fix up in numerical strength.
Akṣayānanda: I see.
Prabhupāda: Whatever you can.
Akṣayānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: But I have fixed up sixteen rounds, because you cannot do.
Akṣayānanda That's all we can do.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That also is difficult.
Akṣayānanda: Yes. (laughing)
Prabhupāda: Otherwise, Haridāsa Ṭhākura was chanting 300,000. So, that is not possible. You should not imitate. But whatever you fix up, you must do it.
Akṣayānanda: Yes. Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted.