Prabhupāda: So māyā is also Brahman. māyā is also Brahman. Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. Why māyā is different from God? It is creation of God. Mama māyā, Kṛṣṇa says. Mama māyā. So how māyā can be... The difference is police cannot arrest the president. Now it has been proved in the law. The president, the prime minister, they cannot be interfered by the police or law. That is good judgment. If the head of the estate is also interfered by police, that does not look well. So this judgment is very nice. Therefore in English constitution the first word is "The king can do no wrong." You cannot accuse king of doing wrong. Whatever he does, it is all right.
Dr. Patel: That is when there was Rāma-rajya, sir. These modern fellows will talk all these things...
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. No, no. Rāma-rajya should be there as far as possible.
Dr. Patel: They are roguish fellows. Just like Nixon. What did he do? Was it in the place of king?
Prabhupāda: No, no, he... Nixon, Nixon...
Dr. Patel: Most powerful nation of the world having a leader of the type of Nixon.
Prabhupāda: So that is... Of course, in American constitution the president is also impeached. Is it the law?
Brahmānanda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: This is the first president who was impeached, during all the times.
Prabhupāda: But that is not very good law. That is not very good law. If the president also can be impeached, that is not very good law.
Dr. Patel: Sir, if the government is made according to the rule and regulations established by our religions, then that president or the king is above law. Otherwise these fools must be within law. But the way they have been ruling the countries and ransacking the people's morals and material...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Anyone, anyone who is within law, he cannot be president.
Dr. Patel: But these are within the law, president. These are the artificial constitutions made up, not the constitution as given by Vedas and Vedic religions. Then king or president is above law—to my mind. I may be wrong. I am open to correction.
Prabhupāda: Therefore we want rājarṣi. We don't want ordinary king. Rājarṣi.
Dr. Patel: Then it is all right.
Prabhupāda: Imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (BG 4.2).
Dr. Patel: Ah, those rājarṣis. A king like Janaka.
Prabhupāda: No, everyone should be rājarṣi. Otherwise he has no power to become king. He should be rejected. There are instances. Just like Vena Mahārāja. He was not rājarṣi, so he was killed by the brāhmaṇas: "Get down." There are instances. Then Pṛthu Mahārāja became king.
Dr. Patel: Pṛthu was the incarnation of God.
Prabhupāda: :Yes. So king is supposed to be representative of God if not incarnation.
Dr. Patel: That's right. Then he is above law.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Because God is above law. But these people are representatives of the foolish, ignorant majority, and majority is made up of fools. Wise people are few.
Prabhupāda: That is the difficulty. Jaya. Fools' paradise. Eh?
Dr. Patel: That's right. We are living in fools' paradise. If the whole today universe was governed as it is ordained by Vedas and Vedic philosophy and laws, there would not have been any difficulty for us. But from time immemorial, even in the very place of the cradle of Vedic civilization, there were all these types of wars and (Hindi) and daityas and devas and all these things.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I have got some... (break) Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the only remedy to make everyone the first-class human being. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcana sarvair guṇair tatra samasate suraḥ (SB 5.18.12). Hare Kṛṣṇa. If you want to qualify the human society with all good qualities, then bhagavad-bhakti is the only means. Otherwise not.