Prabhupāda: That we have already said. There is no question about it, that the driver is there, the car is there. So we must take care of the car, but the first treatment or the first care is for the driver. Just like dead body. The everything is there, present. The machine is there. Now, somehow or other, you again drive it. Why you cannot drive it?
Psychiatrist (Hṛdayānanda): He says the body cannot be driven because the spirit is gone, and that he admits...
Prabhupāda: That means the driver is gone. So who is important, the body or the driver?
Psychiatrist (Hṛdayānanda): Both, he says, are important.
Prabhupāda: Both is there, but comparatively, which is more important?
Psychiatrist (Hṛdayānanda): The spirit is.
Prabhupāda: So that is the defect, that the modern civilization, they are not taking care of the spirit soul; they are simply taking care of the machine, body. Therefore the problems are there. You asked, "How to solve the problems?" The problems are there on account of this, that they are not taking care of the driver; they are simply taking care of the machine body. So if you take care of the driver, then he will remain sane, he will drive nicely, the body will not be disastrous, he will live peacefully. This is the problem. If the driver is careful, then he will not require very frequently the mechanical engineer for the car. He will keep the machine in order. If he keeps himself sane, then he keeps the machine also order.