Prabhupāda: If you bring public in your favor, it is not difficult.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's a fact. You have to bring them in your favor.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "A Kṛṣṇa conscious man. He's a Kṛṣṇa conscious man. Give him vote." This opinion. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It will happen gradually.
Rāmeśvara: One day our men will be leaders of government?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Leaders means as soon as you make the public in your favor, you are leader.
Rāmeśvara: But they'll actually manage the government?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not? That is Kṛṣṇa's desire. The Kurukṣetra battle was for this purpose. The Pāṇḍavas should be on the throne, not the Duryodhana. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. All round, not that we're simply chanting. We're fighting also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Arjuna monks.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We had a nice experience...
Prabhupāda: All-round.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...in Berkeley, when we started to fight...
Prabhupāda: They may not misunderstand us that we are...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Pacifists.
Prabhupāda: Pacifists, or a sect of religious faith. We want to remold, remodel everything.
Hari-śauri: That's something we have to get out of their heads, that we're just some kind of select sect or something.
Prabhupāda: That they'll understand as they read our books. That we are all-round reformer.
Rāmeśvara: They have created so many problems, that to manage their government is the biggest headache.
Prabhupāda: Yes.