Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He's saying that he thinks this will increase our problem, because psychologically it's bad that nature is so big and we're so tiny.
Prabhupāda: Well, you have already increased your problem.
Professor: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) How?
Prabhupāda: There is no solution. There is no solution. You have no solution for anything, so you have increased your problems. Without perfect knowledge, you'll simply increase your problems. That's all.
Professor: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) How can we get this perfect knowledge, and how can we practice it if we're like prisoners?
Prabhupāda: That I have already explained. You have to go to the perfect person.
Professor: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He said first of all that he asked you to give evidence, but that you did not. You said that you'd have evidence, but you did not give it.
Prabhupāda: Here is evidence. I have said that Kṛṣṇa says the proprietor lives within body. Now you just try to understand and you will find that yes, this body is not the . . . this is a property. The proprietor is within. That is perfect knowledge. Just like a big mill going on. But if somebody does not find out the proprietor, then does it mean that there is no proprietor?
Professor: I am the owner of my own self.
Prabhupāda: You are the not owner, but you are occupier.
Professor: Occupier.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like a house. There are two persons—one is the tenant and the other is the landlord. The proprietor is the landlord, and the tenant is occupier. Actually that is self-realization, that I must know that, "I am occupier of this body but I am not proprietor." The proprietor is God.