Prabhupāda: Mean these gṛhastha pūjārī. Gradually the pūjā will go to hell. They'll gradually glide down how to maintain family by showing the Deity. That is... The gosāis are doing. People have sentiment to give something to the Deity, and they will depend on that income. Bas. This is the position of these Vṛndāvana temple. What is the position of the Rādhā-Ramaṇa? Deterioration. It is not being properly done. They'll sell the property.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Just like that Madan Mohan is thinking...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...to do. He says it's his property.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Imagine that. Whew! Boy!
Prabhupāda: He is maintaining it for his sons', daughters' marriage. That is...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: After all, Tīrtha Mahārāja did that too.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He says, "My son is the next in line." Whew.
Prabhupāda: The interest will go to the family, not to the Deity.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's not good.
Prabhupāda: Jīva Gosvāmī was brahmacārī. So he gave to a gṛhastha śiṣya to maintain Rādhā-Dāmodara. But what is the position now? Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī was also a brahmacārī. Everything depends on training and mentality. If the attention is diverted otherwise, then it is lost.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think Mādhavendra Purī, he gave his Deity. Now it's again... You know, who has Govardhana Deity. Vallabhācārya's line now worships.
Prabhupāda: They gave to the Vallabhācārya. But somehow they are maintaining the status quo.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm. Still very opulent. They do very elaborate. That Pushti Marg group, they do very elaborate Deity worship.
Prabhupāda: Very nice.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Of course, they don't preach very vigorously, but at least their Deity worship...
Prabhupāda: That is also preaching. Arcanam. One of the... If they maintain the Deity worship gorgeously, that is also preaching.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So the guiding principle should be that under no circumstance should anyone become lost.
Prabhupāda: Then what is the preaching? Alexander the Great? He was conquering, and as soon he went to conquer another place, the last place lost.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What happened?
Prabhupāda: Suppose I have conquered Bombay. Then I go to Karachi. In the meantime, Bombay is lost. That was being done, Alexander the Great. Means no proper management. Just like British Empire lost. They could not manage. So long they were managing well, it was going on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Too much expansion with not enough good management.
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Similarly, we should not expand too quickly...
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...unless we have the proper management.
Prabhupāda: I am stressing, therefore, book selling.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm.
Prabhupāda: Not opening temples.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh. Yes. This is the reason, one of the reasons. Hm. I don't think many devotees think in terms of that, but this is a very practical point, that selling books, once you make the sale, that's it. The book will act.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It will remain permanent.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm. It establishes itself as a Deity within a person's home.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The book.
Prabhupāda: Now I have given my program. You tackle, GBC men. At least, don't make me Alexander the Great in my lifetime. (laughs) They say, "You are great, great, great." But don't make it small while I am living.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Or after. We will never make you that way.
Prabhupāda: Eh.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We should never do that.
Prabhupāda: That's... That's my request.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You've always said to us, at least whatever we have, maintain it.
Prabhupāda: And people are recognized I am great. Don't make me small. I'll not give you much trouble, but I am now invalid. What can I do?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It seems like even though you're invalid, it gives us more opportunity to serve you.
Prabhupāda: Thank you. What can I do? (laughs) I have to give, give you that opportunity. I cannot do without it.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It seems that it is your mercy to us.
Prabhupāda: All right, go on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. Thank you for all these instructions.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All glories to you. (end)