Prabhupāda: Everyone will die. Everyone will die means change his apartment. Now at the time of changing apartments... Suppose I am here, I have to change another, so I can select my apartment, what kind of apartment I shall have. But that apartment is already there. I'll have to simply make arrangement, that's all. It is not that I am creating that apartment.
Śyāmasundara: The elements, material elements, ingredients are already there.
Prabhupāda: Already there.
Karandhara: The possibilities are unlimited so it's not possible to make such a close...
Prabhupāda: And that apartment is fixed up 8,400,000. Now you can enter into any apartment. Or it is to be ascertained that you cannot think beyond this. Just like a hotel owner, he has got different types of apartments, and he knows the customer cannot think beyond it. So any customer wants, "I'll give this apartment." So by nature's way there are 8,400,000's of apartments. You simply change according to your mentality: "I want this," "All right. Come on."
Karandhara: There's a range. To go back to the...
Prabhupāda: It is, apartment is not evolving. I am evolving in this sense that I am changing one apartment to a better apartment. The better apartment is already there.
Śyāmasundara: To go back to this survival of the fittest theory, supposing we are all here and the water comes, like you said. Supposing one of these persons in Los Angeles has the ability to breathe in water, somehow or other he can breathe under water...
Prabhupāda: So we have no objection.
Śyāmasundara: So he survives; everyone else...
Prabhupāda: He survives means... He survives means that even if he's dead, that does not mean that the species is dead. There is another human being in another part of the world.
Śyāmasundara: I accept that, but I mean I want to...
Prabhupāda: So you say that because he does not survive, the whole species is extinct.
Śyāmasundara: No. But he survives..., one man survives because he is able to breathe in the water.
Karandhara: But how is he able to breathe in the water?
Śyāmasundara: Because he's adapted, he's mutated somehow.
Karandhara: But what has been that selective principle that he's adapted?
Śyāmasundara: According to you, you say it's his desire.
Karandhara: But the selective, active principle...
Prabhupāda: But the fact is that you do not find anyone that one can breathe within the water.
Śyāmasundara: No. That's only an example.
Prabhupāda: But you should give example which is proper.
Śyāmasundara: All right. There is a fish called a lungfish, which... Most fish have gills, they breathe underwater with their gills, they extract oxygen from water. But there's one fish in Africa that has developed lungs, so that, because it lives in an area where the water sometimes goes away, so it must be able to breathe oxygen from the air. So they say out of millions of fish in that water, one happened to have a pair of lungs, so he survived.
Prabhupāda: So we say that means he was already existing. We say there are 900,000 of species of fishes. He may be one of them, that's all.
Śyāmasundara: So the selective principle is there, but all species are already there.
Prabhupāda: Already there, existing.
Karandhara: The selection will simply be dictated by... The so-called observance of selection is just the circumstance. The water's going away, so...
Prabhupāda: The selection of the species of life. I can select. From fish, I can become man; from man I can become fish.
Śyāmasundara: So that fish desired to survive in that condition.
Prabhupāda: Yes.