We have got statistical data about the creation of the material universe, also.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, we have statistical data about the creation of the material universe, the material world. For example, like in a...
Prabhupāda: We have got also.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, yes. Four yugas, the four yugas comprise four million, three hundred thousand years. The yugas together, four. The...
Prabhupāda: Forty-three hundred thousands of years, four yugas.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, four million, three hundred twenty thousand.
Prabhupāda: No, no, four yugas. Do you mean to say?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Altogether.
Prabhupāda: All yugas, Satya, Treta, Dvapara, Kali, the total years are forty-three hundred thousands of years.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. The calculations by the biologists for the beginning of life, they say it is about four billion years.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: About four billion years ago, the small species like unicellular species like the bacteria and these started about four billions years ago. And the human life started...
Prabhupāda: Well, where started? Bacteria?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. In the earth.
Prabhupāda: Then the earth was there.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, before that earth was formed.
Prabhupāda: Then where is the creation.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: When, they say, the earth, first the earth was formed, and after that, it took some time to make some living entities.
Prabhupāda: That may be, but how the earth came into existence?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They have several theories about that.
Prabhupāda: Not only one earth, but there are so many. (pause)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They speculate that at the most the human form of life started about five thousand, about fifty thousand years ago.
Bali Mardana: What?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That's what they think. From similar type of species like human beings, started about fifty thousand years ago.
Bali Mardana: No, there's just new findings. Three millions years ago.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, that's about the... It's not the whole...
Bali Mardana: What?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: There's all forms of species developing slowly.
Bali Mardana: No. Now they have just recently found a species of man three millions years ago, and it's similar to modern man. So scientists... So now they have concluded that there are more than one species, a lower species and a higher species existing at the same time.
Prabhupāda: This Darwin is a rascal. He cannot... He has taken some idea from this Padma Purāṇa, and he has developed in a befooling way. There are different types of human beings, four hundred thousand species. (pause) (break) ...is to conquer over the stringent laws of nature. Is it not?