Satsvarūpa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, one thing they're doing against us more and more in the West is taking the testimony of an ex-disciple of yours, and he will say, "I was a Hare Kṛṣṇa..."
Prabhupāda: "Because he is rascal, therefore he's 'ex,' excommunicated. My Guru Mahārāja kicked him out, so what is the value of his word?"
Gargamuni: We can say these men were excommunicated.
Prabhupāda: Ex means he's executed. That's all. He's finished.
Satsvarūpa: Why listen to his testimony? We can say, "Why listen to his testimony?"
Prabhupāda: Yes. Why not take our testimony? We are... Now take.
Gargamuni: Even in the church they do that. If some priest is not following or introduces something new, they are excommunicated. So we have excommunicated him. Why he should be listened to?
Prabhupāda: He's no more in this.
Gargamuni: That's legal. In the church they do that. Why we cannot do?
Prabhupāda: That is natural. Somebody will go out and speak against us.
Satsvarūpa: The demons are very eager to hear. "Oh, tell us what they did to you."
Prabhupāda: (laughs) "That is not your business. You better ask because you have taken him as authority. You have already taken him as authority, the excommunicated member. So you ask him." These things will happen. In preaching, you cannot expect very smooth path going. Otherwise what is the use of preaching?
Hari-śauri: That's been going on for a long time.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Hari-śauri: Even their own religion started like that. Jesus's..., one of his best disciples turned him in.
Gurukṛpā: Actually they are helping us to become Kṛṣṇa conscious by giving us an opportunity to preach about Kṛṣṇa.
Gargamuni: It makes us serve with great..., more enthusiasm, even the demons.
Prabhupāda: That is the way of electricity. Electricity. Some thunder. That is electricity. The word is used, apratihatā. Pratihata means checking. When your devotional service will make progress in spite of checking, that is pure devotion. Ahaituky apratihatā yayātmā suprasīdati. And that is pure devotion.