That change of form is not material change. The spiritual bliss is there, either in this form or that form.
Pradyumna: Just as the glove has a certain form because the hand is shaped like that, the material body of a human has that form because the spirit is in that form? And the tree has that form because the spirit is in that form?
Prabhupāda: Here difficulty is that the form is fixed up. That is not.... Just like Kṛṣṇa appears in so many forms, everything is spiritual. So what do you think?
Devotee (2): So the form in the spiritual sky is not absolute either? We can take different forms in the spiritual sky?
Prabhupāda: Yes, there are also many forms, but all of them are spiritual. The Vṛndāvana. There is tree, there is Yamunā water, there is land, there is cow, there is calf, there is gopas, gopīs, they are all spiritual. Just like from earth you make many forms, but they are earth. You make pots, you make dolls, but they are all earth. Similarly, spiritual world, there are many forms, they are all spiritual. What is the difficulty?
Pradyumna: Does that form ever change? That form changes also?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Pradyumna: Kṛṣṇa is young and then He's a little older.
Prabhupāda: Generally, it does not change, if one likes this type of form. Śānta, dāsya, sākhya, vātsalya, mādhurya.
Kulādri: That change is available to anyone to progress from śānta to dāsya?
Prabhupāda: That change is not material change. The spiritual bliss is there, either in this form or that form.