Krishna Tiwari: No. There is a controller. I say you don't know.
Prabhupāda: Why you are giving so much importance to your method of understanding?
Krishna Tiwari: (laughs) Because there is only one each of us can do.
Prabhupāda: That is the idea. So if you give so much importance to your method of understanding, why don't you give more importance to our method of understanding?
Krishna Tiwari: Well, I have been seeing the results of . . .
Prabhupāda: Your method is imperfect. I have seen.
Krishna Tiwari: But others is more imperfect.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Krishna Tiwari: Others is . . .
Prabhupāda: No, others are perfect.
Krishna Tiwari: Very imperfect, Swāmījī. Very imperfect.
Prabhupāda: No, very perfect. Very perfect.
Krishna Tiwari: Exactly what I'm saying to . . . well, that's what I'm saying.
Śyāmasundara: What is your standard of perfection?
Krishna Tiwari: What?