Prabhupāda: Why shall I accept a blind leader? If a blind... I am blind, and if a blind man says, "Come on, I shall guide you," why shall I accept that leader?
Madhudviṣa: Their contention is not that, though. Their contention is that Mao Tse Tung, along with being the political leader, is also the spiritual guide of the people.
Prabhupāda: Political, social is not. The leader must be perfect. If the leader is blind, how can I accept such blind leader? I am blind man. What is the use? I am blind; therefore I am asking, "Can you help me to cross the road?" Another blind, "Yes, yes, come on, I shall." Why shall I accept? First of all I shall ask, "You have got eyes?" "No, I am also blind." What is this nonsense?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do they admit their leader to be blind?
Devotee: No. They use their leader's book as Bible.
Prabhupāda: Then why you change? Why you change?
Devotee: They don't change. They follow Mao.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They... They say there is necessity of revolution. The Communist theory they accept, that periodically there is need of revolution.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: But it all culminates.
Madhudviṣa: That's not to change. That's not to change.
Prabhupāda: You have change, change of the system.
Madhudviṣa: No, that's not to change the system. That's to purify it.
Prabhupāda: That change of the leader...
Madhudviṣa: That's to purge the system.
Revatīnandana: Continuous purification.
Prabhupāda: That's means... Purge out means it is not perfect.
Madhudviṣa: No, they will say that in any system...
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Madhudviṣa: ...over the years they are dealing with millions of people.
Prabhupāda: No, but if I can give you any system which is perfect, why you'll not accept it? Why you are so fool?
Madhudviṣa: Then, if you can give a system that people will not deviate?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Madhudviṣa: Any system people can deviate from...
Prabhupāda: No, no, deviate, that you have got independence to deviate from anything.
Madhudviṣa: So that is the imperfection.
Prabhupāda: That is your imperfection.
Madhudviṣa: So they will say that is the imperfection in Communism, also, that the system is perfect but we have imperfect people.
Prabhupāda: But if there is an ism where there is no such defects, why should you not accept it?