Dr. Patel: No, no, no. It's a fact. I have read the history.
Prabhupāda: Well, you have read history; I have gone there personally.
Dr. Patel: Going there and reading history is something different. You have seen only at a particular time, but... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...I was on the airport, they called police because they got, they saw one Bhagavad-gītā in my bags. You see. This is the position.
Dr. Patel: They are, they are translating Bhagavad-gītā in their own universities now. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...may be because it was Bhagavad-gītā, they stopped me.
Dr. Patel: This is a phase of the government. The government is not the people. (break) (Heavy wind noise throughout)
Prabhupāda: ...people everywhere good.
Dr. Patel: But the Russians are really good.
Prabhupāda: Only the... People everywhere, all over the world, they are all good. Only the leaders make them bad. That's all. That is my opinion. Misleaders. Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas tat tad evetaro janaḥ (BG 3.21). The so-called śreṣṭha, leaders, they... Just like in India. When Gandhi was there it was prohibition, and now there is wine shop every step. It is due to the leaders. People, people, what the innocent people, what they'll do?
Dr. Patel: You are talking of this, but I am the knower of the private character of so many businessman.
Prabhupāda: Why you know? Everyone knows.