Rāmeśvara: Little bit of concoction. But practically no one had every heard of yoga or anything. It was just beginning to get popular when you came to America. It coincided with your visit. So it seems that there must be some...
Hari-śauri: Some kind of a bug there, an ant.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct)
Rāmeśvara: So it seems that there must be some...
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa's plan.
Rāmeśvara: ...effect. By just your coming to America, the whole place is transformed. Sometimes we think that when you look at these dates that Lord Caitanya came to the world, it coincides with a period in the Western world called the Renaissance. During this period of the Renaissance there was the highest development of art and literature and so many other cultural things. So we sometimes wonder there must be some...
Prabhupāda: Does it mean that before that, the Europeans were uncivilized?
Rāmeśvara: They were, actually considered themselves to be in the Dark Ages. They call it the Dark Ages. And then, all of a sudden, there was what they call the Renaissance, where man's intelligence became greater, expanded. He became interested in finer things.
Prabhupāda: Not man, but the Westerners.
Rāmeśvara: Yes, Westerners.
Prabhupāda: Intelligent stock was there in India,
Rāmeśvara: Yes. So it's very amazing that the period in Europe called the Renaissance coincides with the appearance of Lord Caitanya.
Prabhupāda: Fifteenth century.
Rāmeśvara: Yes. So we're thinking that it must be because He came into this world, then everyone was blessed.
Prabhupāda: Pāpī tāpī jāta chilo, hari-nāme uddharilo. That is the beginning. And He enthused Indians, "Take this knowledge and distribute." Bhārata bhūmite haila manuṣya janma yāra (CC Adi 9.41). That is Kṛṣṇa Caitanya.
Rāmeśvara: That was the period when all the Europeans became very interested in traveling all over the world, and they discovered America, and they were very interested in coming to India for the spices. There was a great interest in India. Actually they say this man Columbus, he landed in America because he was looking for India, trying to cross the ocean, and he found this land America blocking his way.
Hari-śauri: That's how those islands became the West Indies, because he was looking for India, and he went West, and he hit some islands, and they call them the West Indies. Then later they went to America.
Prabhupāda: West Indies are South America.
Rāmeśvara: The Caribbean. Cuba, Nassau, Puerto Rico.
Prabhupāda: The southern part.
Rāmeśvara: Yes. South of Florida. So his main motive was how to find India, to get the wealth of India.
Prabhupāda: Yes.