Expressions researched:
"mayapur"
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Prabhupāda: Is that?
Guru dāsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, it was done in the Central Bank, Māyāpur.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yes. Dollars is easy.
Prabhupāda: All right. So organize that party.
Guru dāsa: What about a receipt? Can you make one?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You want a receipt?
Guru dāsa: Just a kāccha one.
Prabhupāda: So you can keep it.
Bhavānanda: Mao Tse Tung of China, Satya Sai Baba from the South...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And Bhavānanda Goswami of Māyāpur. (laughter)
Bhavānanda: (laughing) I was an avatāra.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And I have seen practically, even if they don't regard him as an avatāra, I was amazed, Prabhupāda, that people come and they ask, "Where's Bhavānanda Goswami?" And they look everywhere for him, and then they all bow down. He is famous. Simply because he performed strict cātur-māsya, so many people took notice.
Guru dāsa: He has descended to give you massage. (Bhavānanda is massaging Śrīla Prabhupāda?) (laughter)
Bhavānanda: I think this side is no longer sore.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Striking on the bone, so for an old man striking on the bone is very harmful.
Gargamuni: These breezes are very nice here, better than, I think, in Māyāpur. Many breezes.
Prabhupāda: The sea breeze.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's not so cool on the lower floors—where you are staying in the office.
Gargamuni: There no, it is hot. This is very good.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In those houses where you were formerly staying, it is not so like this at all.
Prabhupāda: Which house?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your old quarters. You don't get the advantage of the breeze.
Prabhupāda: No. Sometimes there is nasty breezes coming.
Prabhupāda: That is the duty of ācārya. Otherwise he is not... Not that three dozen ācāryas in Māyāpur. Each one has a temple and a few dozen... Not few dozen—one dozen disciples. Bring some rice and eat. They are ācārya. That day I said that, khāi laya khasi bhaja,(?) then everybody became angry. Collecting some money, taking to the holy place, collecting fifty rupees and keeping twenty rupees and spending thirty rupees. This is... In this way they are making livelihood, ācāryas. They say, "Whatever is in our capacity, we are doing." The capacity means when they are speaking that the cockroach is as good a bird as the Garuḍa. Cockroach is also a bird and Garuḍa is also a bird.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Quite a difference, though.
Prabhupāda: Except in Calcutta.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Really? Calcutta was quite hot when we were there. Remember coming from Māyāpur?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But it's cool.
Prabhupāda: Calcutta and Bengal has got a facility. Every evening there is a small shower of rain. That keeps the temperature mild. During this April-May, you will find every evening there is a thunderstorm and little shower. That is in Bengal's special... A good wind will come. Sometimes it is cyclonic. And immediately the whole atmosphere will be reduced temperature. Sometimes in U.P. also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So the composition can be done in Bengal and then it can be sent here for printing by offset.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's nice. And that boy... What is that boy's name in Māyāpur, the one who was in England? He can read the proof.
Prabhupāda: Subhaga.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Subhaga.
Prabhupāda: You can reach by mail.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now with these books coming out, I think it is only a matter of time until we get many, many people joining us.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The BBT trustees means of the different publishing arms of the BBT. French trustee is Bhagavān...
Prabhupāda: Oh, BBT.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: BBT, yes. They had a meeting in Māyāpur discussing some common points of interest and concerns. It says, "We will anxiously be awaiting a report on Śrīla Prabhupāda's reaction to the various points, and it would be good if you sent copies to all the trustees directly if there are any urgent points. I am going to L.A. in a few weeks, at which time I will make it my business, as one of the US trustees, to look into the Press matter. I will send a report after doing so. I also share your concern in this matter. I am going to France in a few days and will send a report on my findings. I am especially concerned to see that BBT be set up along standard lines. I have heard that Śrīla Prabhupāda's health has improved somewhat. Please be so kind as to send reports on this from time to time, as all the devotees are very much concerned. We are all praying to Lord Nṛsiṁha-deva that His Divine Grace's health will be completely restored. I remain your servant, Jayatīrtha dāsa. P.S. I will be visiting Africa in May." This letter is dated 25th March.
Prabhupāda: March?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "15) Foreign temples will receive records for approximately 75 cents, while North American temples will pay one dollars. All profits made by the BBT for records will go to ISKCON Food Relief. Prices may increase if the costs rise. 16) Harikeśa Mahārāja will take responsibility to prepare the Māyāpur brochure. 17) The BBT Trustees for each division are responsible for setting priorities in each division." That means printing priorities. "18) The US BBT will experiment with importation of books from India as soon as..."
Prabhupāda: What happened to that book, Dialectic Spiritualism?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Spiritual Dialectics?
Prabhupāda: Yes, Dialectic Spiritualism.
Prabhupāda: It is not for ordinary man.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Therefore I stopped all these child painting book and...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Prabhupāda got some... One day, I remember, in Māyāpur he received some pictures of children, painted, and actually you were not that impressed by it. I was surprised, 'cause I thought, "Well, this is very nice." But Prabhupāda wasn't very pleased. He said, "This is not a sentimental process. They should be studying and speaking Sanskrit, reading, writing Sanskrit and English and study the books."
Prabhupāda: So arrange for the State Bank coming as soon as possible. That will facilitate our business.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Just like the foreigners bought the island of Manhattan for twenty-four dollars from the Indians, the native Indians in New York, twenty-four dollars' worth of trinkets. And they purchased.
Prabhupāda: No, the land was there. Just like Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura purchased Māyāpur at eight annas a bighā.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now...
Prabhupāda: Two thousand rupees.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And they want five thousand. Same land.
Prabhupāda: Land value has increased.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, they say that land, buying land, is better investment than putting your money in the bank, so much increasing.
Prabhupāda: Oh. We can produce more detailed film later on.
Yadubara: You asked us to make that one point, that we're not the body.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Yadubara: In Māyāpur last year you asked me to make that one point, that we're not the body. So we tried to do that only.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. That can be, and this..., done that.
Yadubara: Do you think there should be any sequel to this film? In other words, to carry on the philosophy?
Prabhupāda: No, you have given the evolution of from fish to plant, plant to insect, bird, animal. That can be little elaborately, evolution. Then human being, full consciousness. Now, this is the chance for understanding God. And if they are still kept in darkness like the animals, that's a dangerous civilization. Refusing the opportunity to the humanity. By knowing this, you can get out of this continual evolutionary process. That is anti-material world, Vaikuṇṭha world, where you can actually live. Na jāyate na mriyate vā. He does not take birth, neither dies, and dances with Kṛṣṇa. That is life. That we are wanting.
Prabhupāda: There is no information.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. None at all. Everybody thinks that he must have drowned himself in one of the rivers here in India, because the day that he disappeared he asked you a question, out of..., just without any reason he asked you to explain the disappearance of Junior Haridāsa. That was on the roof at Māyāpur. Thereafter, that morning, he was not seen again. And neither, I think... He's not in the West... In America no one has seen him. His parents have searched for him. They cannot find him.
Prabhupāda: Even if he has committed suicide, he'll be saved.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If he did that, he'll be...
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. He lamented. He was very grave(?). Yoga-bhraṣṭo 'bhijāyate. He'll get another good opportunity to develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness-until finally he reaches to Kṛṣṇa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is a... I don't know if... You gave this to the press? This was given to the press. "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. ISKCON Candrodaya City at Śrīdhāma Māyāpur."
Prabhupāda: What is this? Not from our letter given?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It says, "The birthplace of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu in the district Nadia, prepared under the direction of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda and by his disciples, His Holiness Surabhīr Abhipālayantam Swami, ISKCON Māyāpur Project architect and director of construction; His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami, ISKCON Māyāpur project president and Governing Body Commissioner; Śrī Patita Pāvana dāsa Brahmacārī, Bhakti Śāstrī, ISKCON Māyāpur; and the editors of Back to Godhead magazine, ISKCON Press, Los Angeles, California."
Prabhupāda: Perfect article.
Surabhīr Abhipālayantam: (indistinct)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: These are four articles. "Part One: A Description of the Holiness of Śrīdhāma Māyāpur."
Surabhīr Abhipālayantam: It was taken from Back to Godhead.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Taken from Back to Godhead. This is an article from Back to Godhead. Who wrote it? Nitāi?
Surabhīr Abhipālayantam: Nitāi did.
Prabhupāda: Who wrote?
Prabhupāda: Who wrote?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nitāi. This is an article previously published in Back to Godhead, written by Nitāi a couple years ago. "Part Two: A General Description of ISKCON's Spiritual City in Māyāpur. A Short History of ISKCON Māyāpur." It gives a description of their history. "When one of the first American devotees of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, ISKCON, heard in 1970 from the Society's Founder-Ācārya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda..."
Prabhupāda: Everywhere there is founder-ācārya's name, but not a single line...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right.
Prabhupāda: So they have purposefully avoided and given "His Holiness"?
Patita-pāvana: Should we bring them here, to Bombay?
Prabhupāda: Where it will be possible. Where it is, you propose.
Patita-pāvana: I was thinking that at the time of the opening of the temple they come here, or if that's too crowded, they could come to Māyāpur some time, but if you'd like them to come now, I can...
Prabhupāda: Māyāpur is now Maidan. Māyāpur and here, what is the difference?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, here is better. Everyone can come to Bombay much easier. And if you wait until the opening, there's too many other things.
Patita-pāvana: You're right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now is very peaceful for them.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So we have your... If you like, we have your old quarters.
Patita-pāvana: But that is upstairs. His wife cannot climb stairs. That is... That's why I liked Māyāpur, because all those apartments are on the wall.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, they're also upstairs. In Māyāpur everything's up the stairs also. There's nothing that...
Patita-pāvana: But on the wall...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Front wall?
Patita-pāvana: Yeah.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, no one can live there. It's too low class.
Prabhupāda: No, in our new house.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...been seeing this one person there by the name of Bhagavan Shringari Das, Bhagavan Shringari. He's the pūjārī of Lord Jagannātha. So he's claiming that when anyone goes to a holy place like Jagannātha Purī that they have to get initiated by a tīrtha-guru. So these foolish disciples, they're going and they're accepting initiation from him, and he gives them some mantra, and then he... Naturally there's an exchange of money. They have to promise to send money regularly for Lord... He says it's for Lord Jagannātha. Obviously Lord Jagannātha will never see the money. He also gets them to write a letter. The letter reads something like that "I came to India blind, but now Bhagavan Shringari Das has opened my eyes." Doesn't even mention Your Divine Grace. And this boy, he was telling me this... When he asked about the holy places... This devotee, who..., he's doing a little assistance for me, he refused to have anything..., take any initiation 'cause he said that he could understand that something was wrong. He asked him, "What about Māyāpur?" He said, "Oh, Māyāpur is nothing. That is not the dhāma." Then he said, "Dhāma means...," and he named the four dhāmas. So in this way some of the devotees are... Apparently they're even going back to America and they're encouraging others to send money to this cheater. This man is a big cheater. (name withheld), she took this initiation, and some other people, he mentioned... When he was there, there were already four devotees there, some householder devotee from Los Angeles, (name withheld)... He sells them things like the flag from the top of the temple for a hundred rupees. You know, different types of thing he sells them. So I said, "So why didn't you ask him, 'Now that we're your disciple and you're our guru, now take us into the temple'? "
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that's normal in old age. That's not unusual.
Prabhupāda: I can walk. There is no difficulty. But getting up... I can... If I try, I can get up also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, you would do it even in Māyāpur. Sometimes you would ring the bell and no one came. You'd get up yourself.
Prabhupāda: That is also not difficult.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But why should you take that risk?
Prabhupāda: No, I shall not. I fell down...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I know, in Calcutta.
Prabhupāda: ...in Calcutta. That is bathroom, very slippery. Anyway, why shall I take the risk?
Prabhupāda: No, half and half. You pay.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Half I pay... Half we pay, half they pay? Okay.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda said it was all right if you went to Māyāpur with that man, those Germans.
Prabhupāda: I have given the idea. Now how to put it into shape, that I... That I do not know.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There's a man coming that Patita Uddhāraṇa invited?
Surabhīr Abhipālayantam: Yes. Tomorrow this man from Bangalore is coming.
Prabhupāda: So where his place has been fixed up?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What can I suggest?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That in regard to the three temples, Māyāpur, Bombay and Vṛndāvana, you should designate who you want the trustees to be.
Prabhupāda: That I shall do.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And in regard to the money which is held in your name, which will be used for the society, that should also be... Your signature should be given as a power of attorney to two or three other persons.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Other than that, you already formed the Māyāpur-Vṛndāvana Trust. Everything is there.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: BBT is there.
Prabhupāda: These are the points.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And I have the numbers of your fixed deposits, so when you mention the former family members, we can specify which deposits they are.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Belong to the society.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. And you can again either have those... Same persons who were power of attorney to your signature can handle those properties, sign on your behalf if anything is required. I think the only place where there's properties in your name is in Māyāpur, so far I know. I remember you... I originally purchased the land. I think I purchased in your name.
Prabhupāda: So you have to decide how to manage very nicely. Otherwise will is also given.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So far calling the men here, you actually feel... You said this morning there are two things: surviving or preparing for departure. But actually you are feeling that, the latter, and how all of the GBC cannot be called. I think they...
Prabhupāda: So let... Let them come and be present.
Bhavānanda: What can we do, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: You can pray Kṛṣṇa. That's all. Kṛṣṇa is all-powerful. I am only requesting that whatever I have done, you don't spoil it. That's all. Think this. I am getting report, very hopeful, as you gave report from Māyāpur, very good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Want to take a little rest now, Śrīla Prabhupāda? (break)
Jayapatākā: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda, everything is all right. But your health is not all right. But preaching is going on. Very receptive field in Bangladesh.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Jayapatākā: There has been no sādhus there for many years, and the people there are very eager to hear about Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Wherever I went, thousands of people gathered. One time ten thousand people gathered. It was the biggest function held in the history of the town, either Hindu or Muhammadan. The Muhammadans are also very interested. They don't know anything about Lord Caitanya. Many have asked, "Do you have any books about the life of Lord Caitanya?" They like to read. And the person who arranged...
Prabhupāda: So give the book, Teachings of Lord Caitanya.
Prabhupāda: So did you not get? Finish that. Get the place and society registered.
Jayapatākā: Well, I was there with Prabhaviṣṇu, and he joined me after ten days, and I instructed him what to do, everything. Then I was called back to Māyāpur. But there'll be no difficulty. I can go any time within a week. The Bengal government is giving me re-entry visa, so I can go and come back without difficulty.
Prabhupāda: Do this seriously.
Jayapatākā: Because the secretary and the president of Gauḍīya Maṭha, Dacca, are coming June 4th to Calcutta, so it's better that I'm here to meet them to make sure that the... Because that's the best place that we've seen in whole Bangladesh. We've been offered places in Comilla, Chittagong, in Barisal. Everywhere we've been offered places, but that seems to be the best place. That's also Bhaktisiddhānta's place.
Prabhupāda: So why don't you see the donor of that place? I gave the address.
Prabhupāda: This is our thesis.
Jayapatākā: And educated young people, they're very... They're very susceptible to being devotees. When we traveled in one city, two people joined with us and traveled with us and said they'll be shaved and everything. Very easily they give up. Even when I returned in Māyāpur about five or six new young men had joined. In the twenty days I was gone Bhavānanda Mahārāja had enlisted about five or six men and about fifteen gurukula students and two families. And they were all very enthusiastic. They want to go and preach also. Things are improving.
Prabhupāda: So building work is finished?
Jayapatākā: They're just finishing the top waterproofing, jalja(?). They're building that now. That'll be finished in fifteen days.
Prabhupāda: Others things are going on.
Jayapatākā: Painting is going on. Now we just have to furnish the rooms. Then guests can stay. The rooms are still unfurnished. This weekend it was packed, filled with guests, our big guesthouse. One Tara minibus came and filled, garden building. People only come to Māyāpur to see our temple. They don't go to see any other temple.
Prabhupāda: What they'll see there? (laughter) How Saman(?) Mahārāja is managing?
Jayapatākā: He somehow is trying to maintain. I don't see any improvement.
Prabhupāda: No, he cannot make any improvement, but if he can maintain, that is our question.
Jayapatākā: I didn't go there, so I can't exactly say. I don't go there. (pause) (break)
Prabhupāda: The spread, the... First of all they wanted to give us a cheap rate, "Eh!" And now they are doing: "We shall be taking our leader out." That is not cheap rate. (pause) (kīrtana in background) (break)
Bhavānanda: People are always saying "Work is worship." Actually they're almost right. Work for Kṛṣṇa is worship. I know that's why they're attracted to Māyāpur temple. Because there's so much work going on, people are attracted: "Why these people are so happy while they're working?" Especially the gurukula boys, sweeping the road hard as anything, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa while they're sweeping.
Prabhupāda: What about my house?
Bhavānanda: That money has just been received, and the plans have arrived from Delhi, but we are wanting an architect in Calcutta, competent architect to... Because we don't want to have anything go wrong in the middle. Ram Nrisinghatar(?) was saying that Mistri is interested in doing Prabhupāda's house. The house and gorgeous garden we have, with fountains and terraces and walkways, all around, before and behind the house, on either side, all enclosed and private.
Prabhupāda: Not yet begun?
Prabhupāda: When I left India, I promised "I'll never come here." I was reluctant to do anything here. You know that? No action do there. But still, I thought that "At least in Māyāpur let me have my..." (laughs) At least Māyāpur, that "There is Vaiṣṇava, so many resident, in Māyāpur, Vṛndāvana." I was... I promised that "I'll never come again, back again here." That was my promise. But Kṛṣṇa wanted. That's all right. I was quite disgusted. Still I am disgusted. America giving permanent resident, these rascals will not give. What is wrong? In your country they also get permanent resident, outsiders?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: In my country there is also a reaction towards Indians. I had to come twice. Once I came the night before, and they would not give me visa at the entry.
Prabhupāda: Ācchā?
Prabhupāda: That you select amongst yourselves. Why you are taxing me?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right. I didn't know if you wanted us to do that.
Prabhupāda: You do not know? I have repeatedly said. You do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, for Bombay and Māyāpur and Vṛndāvana, I mean.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Hyderabad.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, these three places are most important.
Prabhupāda: Everywhere. (pause) Among yourselves, there is no strong man. That is the defect. All like child. That is the defect. And it requires a very strong man. That is lacking. In every minute details I have poked my nose. Anyone, whatever you have got, sit down and select trustees, and the format is there. Make a trustee. So...? (break) ...should be so many copies. Every one of you GBC and important men must have that copies.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Formerly he was an M.P. He's a lawyer also.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I think he can write.
Bhavānanda: He was out in Māyāpur about one month back.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Then you shall benefit. Gargamuni knows him. Make this.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bhavānanda knows him. Jayapatākā too.
Prabhupāda: He is nice man. Each property, trustee.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Asnani can also help.
Prabhupāda: Trustees appointed by me. That's all. That will save.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did you say, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Rāmeśvara: This is based on the BBT Trust document that you wrote many years ago, the same idea almost. "I, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, Founder-Ācārya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, disciple of Oṁ Viṣṇupāda 108 Śrī Śrīmad Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Mahārāja Prabhupāda, and we, the members of the Bureau of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, hereby give and transfer the properties and all the property rights incidental thereto, as hereinafter described, to the following persons as trustees in trust for purposes hereinafter stated and to be administered in accordance with the provisions hereinafter set forth." And there are five different trusts. The first one is for Māyāpur, and the proposed trustees are Jayapatākā Mahārāja, Bhavānanda Mahārāja and Gopāla Kṛṣṇa. The second one is for Bombay, and the proposed trustees are Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja, Girirāja and Gopāla Kṛṣṇa. The third one is for Vṛndāvana, and the proposed trustees are Akṣayānanda Swami, Gopāla Kṛṣṇa and Viśvambhara.
Prabhupāda: Viśvambhara is not our regular disciple.
Prabhupāda: No, we have got already.
Rāmeśvara: The fourth trust is for Haridaspur, and the proposed trustees are Jayapatākā Swami...
Prabhupāda: That is subsection of Māyāpur.
Jayapatākā: Subsection of Māyāpur.
Rāmeśvara: So that should just be the Māyāpur trustees.
Prabhupāda: It is a section of Māyāpur.
Rāmeśvara: Then the last one is for Bhuvaneśvara.
Prabhupāda: But what about Hyderabad?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: That we have already made as trust.
Prabhupāda: Inventory.
Rāmeśvara: Inventory, yes, inventory. Then "Section 2: Name of the Trust. This trust shall be known by the name..." So for each trust there's a different name. For Māyāpur it is proposed, "Śrī Māyāpur Chandrodaya Mandir Trust." For Bombay, "Śrī-Śrī-Rādhā-Rāsa-Vihārījī Temple Trust," for Vṛndāvana, "Śrī-Śrī-Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma Mandir Trust," and that will include the Gurukula. For Bhuvaneśvara, "Śrī-Śrī-Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma Bhuvaneśvara Trust." It goes on to say, "In so far as possible, the trustees shall conduct the trust activities in that name. Section 3: The Purpose of the Trust. This trust is created and shall be operated exclusively for fulfilling the aims and objects of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as per the memorandum of association. ISKCON is registered as a society under the Society Act of 1860, and is registered as a public charitable trust. We direct that no part of this trust shall inure to the benefit of any private individual, and no part of the activities of this trust shall consist of participating in or intervening in any political campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office."
Guest (2): Biography.
Guest (1): He's my brother-in-law.
Bhavānanda: Last year, when you came to Māyāpur... This is the motto of the mandira we're going to build.
Guest (3): Māyāpur? Navadvīpa?
Bhavānanda: You were there last year?
Guest (3): We had been there for three or four days in temple block.
Guest (2): (Hindi)
Guest (3): He's M.A. from Oxford.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Guest (3): Or he was the chief editor of Sarasvatī and Bhārata Daily paper.
Prabhupāda: Sarasvatī... (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Girirāja: And also for Māyāpur add him as a trustee.
Prabhupāda: Very good. So do it. His condition will take some time. He has agreed. Then he's gone to London.
Girirāja: Then for the bank accounts, the main fund is the ISKCON Māyāpur-Vṛndāvana fixed deposits and savings account. So we thought that the best thing would be to have a committee to oversee the spending of this money in terms of your desire. So we propose that the committee consist of Gurukṛpā Mahārāja, Rāmeśvara Mahārāja, Jayapatākā Mahārāja, Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Goswami, Gopāla Kṛṣṇa and myself.
Prabhupāda: Very good. Approved.
Prabhupāda: Don't open many accounts at the bank. The same signer, one or two of them must sign the... The accounts may be in your books, but there is no necessity of opening so many accounts and different signers. That is not necessary.
Girirāja: Right. So these are actually the same signers as the Māyāpur-Vṛndāvana Fund.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Girirāja: And in some cases... I mean, there are different accounts distributed in different places that should be...
Prabhupāda: That you can keep in your books, not in the bank.
Girirāja: So all the funds can be consolidated...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Girirāja: Then the accounts in your personal name... We thought that those funds could be transferred to the Māyāpur-Vṛndāvana Fund, just as you suggested, and just keep our own account, how it is spent in terms of your desire.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You can transfer at any moment.
Girirāja: And then for the fixed deposits, the interest for your family members, that we would just leave them in your name, as it's mentioned in the will, and throughout their life they will get the income.
Prabhupāda: That we shall do. I shall... How to do it... For the time being you haven't got to bother.
Prabhupāda: That from paddy, rice is taken away by beating.
Bhavānanda: (whispering) That's the...
Prabhupāda: In your country there is no such thing.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In Māyāpur we have seen.
Prabhupāda: It is called ḍheṅki.
Bhavānanda: Ḍheṅki.
Prabhupāda: That is Indian. (Bengali) Ḍheṅki? (Bengali)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayapatākā must know.
Prabhupāda: Jayapatākā must know.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that husking machine?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: He's traveling from college to college. So I'm sending him our brochure and the timetable that... I plan to spend about..., till the next Māyāpur festival to do all the India program, finish all over India programs.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: And after that, I plan to do Europe for five months. So I already discussed with Pṛthu-putra. We have one scientist devotee in England. His name is Jñāna dāsa at Bhaktivedanta Manor. He wrote me a letter. He told me that he can make all the engagements in Europe in the scientific departments. So I was about to write him a letter. He also asked me... (end)
Prabhupāda: Hm, yes.
Girirāja: "The system of management will continue as it is now. There is no need of any change. 3. The property in India will be managed by the following committee members: A. Properties at Śrī Māyāpur Dhāma, Panihati, Haridaspur, and Calcutta-Gurukṛpā Swami, Jayapatākā Swami, Bhavānanda Goswami, and Gopāla Kṛṣṇa dāsa Adhikārī; B. At Vṛndāvana-Gurukṛpā Swami, Akṣayānanda Swami, and Gopāla Kṛṣṇa dāsa Adhikārī; C. At Bombay-Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Goswami, Girirāja dāsa Brahmacārī, and Gopāla Kṛṣṇa dāsa Adhikārī; D. At Bhuvaneśvara-Gaura-Govinda Swami, Jayapatākā Swami and Bhāgavata dāsa Brahmacārī; E. At Hyderabad-Mahāṁśa Swami, Gopāla Kṛṣṇa dāsa Adhikārī, and Bali-mardana dāsa Adhikārī."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And Śrīdhara.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. So do it. Manage nicely.
Jayapatākā: We had a... Regarding the letter I had written, that ISKCON Food Relief has got some liability at Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: No, that you discuss. Don't bother my head.
Jayapatākā: No, we just... (Rāmeśvara whispering)
Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda, this afternoon we had a meeting of the BBT trustees, and we were discussing the situation of the Bengali printing. There are some manuscripts lying, and we want to print them as soon as possible so that selling can increase.
Prabhupāda: So Gopāla Kṛṣṇa, give them money.
Rādhā-vallabha: I've been trying to find him. As soon as I find him, I'll bring you the book from him.
Prabhupāda: Still paying him money?
Rādhā-vallabha: No, no, I stopped when you told me in Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: Cheats his wife and children, this crooked man, cheating people. Tendency is there. Where he is?
Rādhā-vallabha: When?
Prabhupāda: Where he is now? (end)
Prabhupāda: So why they are so much anxious, "You should not overpopulate"? Even in these days in India, in the interior villages they invite you that "Please come. We have got enough grain, enough milk. You eat with us. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." And they are going forcibly there to give this sterilization. They have no problem.
Śatadhanya: In Māyāpur we went on the boat down the Ganges. So we went... Even the poorest village man, he gave some banana leaves, some papaya—so opulent, fruits, vegetable, everything... (break)
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) Make āṭā, kneading very nicely, just like you do for cāpāṭi, but make lump, round balls, around the fire. The same fire upon, one pot rice, one pot ḍāl. And down, these small, round āṭā. Just like you make for cāpāṭi. Go on. Then, after sometimes, you see, everything is prepared. Boil very nicely. Then these ball should be put into ghee, and the ḍāl should be chaunce. It will be first-class.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Took advantage of us. It's like... At first we were mongrel dogs. Now we are a little bit trained to keep away all the disturbers. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...opposition of my constructing a temple in Māyāpur.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: From the very beginning. First you asked for land. That was refused. Then you sent money, but for three years—nothing. I think you sent money twice.
Prabhupāda: So many things also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then we were even stopped by the elements, when we went... You took us, and we went and stayed at Devānanda Gauḍīya Maṭha. But the rain suddenly came so strongly, (Prabhupāda chuckles) we could...
Prabhupāda: Could not cross to the other side.
Prabhupāda: Could not cross to the other side.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Then you said, "Perhaps Kṛṣṇa wants us to establish in Vṛndāvana and not Māyāpur." So you were going to send me to see this Madan Mohan to try to negotiate.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, forget the past. Push forward.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think you once said that sometimes Kṛṣṇa tests to see how sincerely the devotee is determined.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa not only tests but punishes those who are criminals.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Criminals.
Prabhupāda: So how you'll show actually?
Bhakti-prema: This is according to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
Prabhupāda: No, that's all right. Now, that doll, that you have to make.
Yaśodānandana: We are calling one artist from Māyāpur. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja has arranged to bring one artist, so we're going to draw perspectives. We're going to draw this and all... (break)
Prabhupāda: We have some artist. We have... That's all. That is perfect.
Bhakti-prema: It is also repeated in Upaniṣads, iti susruma dhīrāṇām.(?)
Prabhupāda: This...
Bhakti-prema: From the intelligence...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Only you could see that, you and Rādhā-Rāsa-vihārī. I was...
Prabhupāda: Nobody... Still, I was determined: "No, this place is very nice."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They should write a book about that.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is worth writing, history book. Māyāpur also. Mādhava Mahārāja will not allow, allow.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So many tricks he played through that...
Prabhupāda: Similarly Tīrtha Mahārāja was no wanted me to... Here also there is one ring.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right.
Prabhupāda: This girl had to introduce line(?).
Prabhupāda: Didn't give.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now she has given, but at first... But still, you said, "Build a wall." Hyderabad also there was a little dispute. Everything was a struggle. (break) Our temple is the best—in Māyāpur, Vṛndāvana, Hyderabad, Bombay.
Śatadhanya: All the people think that our Deities are made of gold. They've never seen so shiny and such śṛṅgāra before.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here?
Prabhupāda: In Māyāpur.
Śatadhanya: In Māyāpur especially, yeah. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...wanted to see our. Is it not?
Prabhupāda: No, one dining... That.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Devotees and paying guests...
Prabhupāda: Ah, yes. No separate. One dining hall.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 'Cause in Māyāpur the people who live in the guesthouse, they get served in the guesthouse.
Prabhupāda: You have dining place here(?).
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You said that a high-class person should be served where he's...
Prabhupāda: No, who is high class, low class? Everyone...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If they can bring the prasāda from the cooking arrangement there to over here, it's all right if they serve them here? 'Cause I think the guests prefer that they can eat in this guesthouse.
Prabhupāda: Very first-class place.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that building is built better than the Māyāpur building was built.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct-bad tape) Others, that we are purchasing, one. Otherwise, the idea was (indistinct-bad tape).
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is four buildings, joined together.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Perfectly utilizes that land. Inside, you want flower gardens.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You'll find description in Bhāgavata. They were coming to congratulate Kṛṣṇa—so nice dress, so nice ornament, so nice foodstuff made of ghee, grains in our...
Śatadhanya: Sometimes the rich Marwari ladies, when they come to Māyāpur, once in a while they give some ornament to the Deity. They'll give one ring or one bracelet, gold.
Prabhupāda: That was always. They would offer some ornament to the Deity.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, there's the example...
Prabhupāda: That Sākṣī-Gopāla. The queen wanted to give her nose pearl. Very happy spiritual society.
Prabhupāda: There is no question of angry. It is not our...
Akṣayānanda: Just recently I sent about three or four of them out, and they all became...
Prabhupāda: If they want to live without any payment, let them go to Māyāpur. There is enough place. We don't deny that. But here, in the guestroom, they will occupy without any payment.
Akṣayānanda: No, there's only one big room. It's right at the back, and it's not a very nice room. The guests do not like that room. And they have... I sent two or three to Ahmedabad also. They have a little room, Ahmedabad, especially now.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Śatadhanya: It is the topmost mysticism.
Prabhupāda: You can write to Māyāpur. I think on the hill there are punar, punar navās.
Śatadhanya: Punar navās.
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Śatadhanya: What is that, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: A kind of herb, creeper, creeper that grows, punar navā. It is known practically to all cultivators. If they can collect punar navā, collect and send immediately. Ask Māyāpur.
Śatadhanya: It is good medicinally?
Prabhupāda: For me. This medicine, what I am drinking, that is punar navā.
Śatadhanya: So tomorrow this one boy is going to Māyāpur, and he can bring that message. They can immediately send.
Prabhupāda: Yes. As much as possible. Then I can prepare this medicine. And I know that is the medicine for my disease, punar navā.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How do you spell that, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: P-u-n-a-r n-a-v-ā.
Śatadhanya: Oh, punar navā.
Prabhupāda: Punar navā.
Prabhupāda: And they are hearing the philosophy also. In the evening class they come.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Oh, yes. Bhavānanda always has young people coming to Māyāpur. Intelligent, well-educated, wealthy people's children come. He yells at them like anything. He tells them that "Why are you imitating the West when you have the greatest culture?" Bhavānanda Mahārāja yells at them, chastises them. They like it. Naturally they like it because he's praising their culture.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is a fact. And the books are selling very nice, hm, Bengali?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah. Now there's about seven or eight parties traveling around India, simply doing book distribution.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Good name. His name is Krishan Myer.
Mr. Myer: Our grand-uncle in the family, he named all the brothers in the family after God. My eldest brother, he's in Belux.(?) He's already met you several times in Māyāpur. He's one of the first member in ISKCON from there. He was called Ram Prem Narayan Sen Myer. So teacher found the name was too long. She dropped the Ram, so she kept Prem Narayan Sen Myer. Then Dr. Badrinarayan Maraka, he abridged the name in Bangalore to Har Narayan Sen. However, I was told I named myself Krishan. I don't know how it... So that's how the name came into being.
Prabhupāda: So keep it on Sunday.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right, Śrīla Prabhupāda. There's a letter from Vāsudeva, Deoji Punja. Would you like to hear?
Prabhupāda: Hm. (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was just appreciating how in every way you have provided for your disciples, in every aspect. You've created a movement where we have beautiful temples. You've given us this wonderful philosophy in books. In every way you've provided. You've given us these places, Vṛndāvana temple and Māyāpur temple. It's actually a fact that we can... You know, it's like a very loving father who provides everything for his children. I mean, I was just comparing that to this boy who had nothing. His guru expired, and he had nothing. He was bereft. But we'll always be very much provided for and cared for.
Prabhupāda: So with that feeling I want to produce them also, my followers. Everyone should be like that.
Prabhupāda: There is nothing.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is it changing the condition at all? We should think how to get rid of it.
Prabhupāda: How to rid?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I remember one thing you were taking to loosen the phlegm in Māyāpur when you had a cough. You were taking a little hot lemon juice in the mornings.
Prabhupāda: You can give me.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I remember that. It seemed to have good effects. It also helped for digestion.
Prabhupāda: So any other?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Actually I'm right in the middle of doing these accounts, so I probably should...
Prabhupāda: (coughing) So this bank manager came. It means they are little serious.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, this is a real good sign. The last request of the head office is a very good sign. The head office is requesting, "Now please take the letter for him to sign..." It means that they're planning how to get the branch open. And I told this man that "If you get this opened, then surely we will open your branch in our Māyāpur center as well in all other centers."
Prabhupāda: That's nice.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They are a good bank. There's no doubt.
Prabhupāda: That Mr. Neta came?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His name is Mr. Pattak, isn't it?
Prabhupāda: Oh, Pattak, Pattak, yes. That's all right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. I thought it was good to read all these things to you.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. (break) ...underneath a tree.
Devotees: Yes. (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...telephone call from Gopāla Kṛṣṇa. He got a call from Māyāpur, and in our Māyāpur temple there was some difficulty there from dacoits.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Three hundred dacoits attacked our temple, and there was fighting, and five of the devotees were in the hospital. Bhavānanda Mahārāja, he was arrested 'cause he fired a gun. He shot two of them and put them in the hospital, so they arrested him. And that's all he told me. Three hundred dacoits attacked. He said Jayapatākā is now there. Jayapatākā wasn't there. He was traveling and preaching. So he's there now. He's sending a report to you, a more detailed report. And they want... Jayapatākā Mahārāja wants Śatadhanya Mahārāja to go immediately there because Bhavānanda is in jail, arrested. And they want Prabhāsa to come, because the gun, the gun that Bhavānanda Mahārāja used is in the name of Prabhāsa. And Gopāla Kṛṣṇa is going there tomorrow. He's also going there.
Prabhupāda: So why attacked?
Prabhupāda: Then let them go.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That was his whole point in calling, because they cannot call from Māyāpur to Vṛndāvana. The telephone line will not do that. So Māyāpur called Bombay and Bombay called here.
Prabhupāda: So some of the dacoits are arrested or not?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He didn't say. I'm certain that some of them must have been arrested. They couldn't have all gotten away. I mean, some of them are in the hospital. The ones that Bhavānanda shot are in the hospital.
Prabhupāda: So one is in the hospital.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Regarding that land, if they want to give it, they'll give it. It's not that somebody's going to come, like Mr. Arora, and by his coming suddenly they're going to give us the land. It's a big political matter. It's not friendship. We just have to become very much prepared now for such occurrences. Those gurukula boys, as they grow up, they should be trained to protect Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: Therefore I say kṣatriya. Some of our men should be trained as kṣatriya.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is required.
Prabhupāda: Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam (BG 4.13). There must be division—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya—not that all one class. That is all wrong.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Some people are inclined in that way. Guṇa-karma.
Prabhupāda: But everyone can be utilized if you organize it rightly. Three hundred dacoits there means government is very weak.
Prabhupāda: Nowhere is safe. Some boys may come and attack you and take... Nobody will... Is it not like that? Neither at home, neither on the road... You are not safe.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Imagine, in Māyāpur we have 250 devotees, and still they attacked.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In Māyāpur we have 250 people. What family has 250 people? If 250 people and there's danger, then what to speak of a family man with only a few people in the family? That means they're ready to attack any number of people. There are so many dacoits.
Prabhupāda: No, therefore they came in number, three hundred.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And it was very organized, they said. At night they came.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So there was a newspaper clipping about Māyāpur published in the Hindustan Times. This newspaper clipping...
Prabhupāda: Hindustan Times?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Delhi.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah. The heading is "Eleven Krishna Devotees Held for Firing." "Five Indian and six foreign Vaiṣṇava devotees were arrested from Māyāpur maṭha of ISKCON, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, in Nabadwip last night when shots fired from inside the celebrated temple injured fifteen persons, most of them milkmen. A double-barreled gun was seized from the maṭha, it is reported. Police pickets have been posted since there is considerable tension in the nearby villages. Among those arrested is Swami Bhavānanda, an American in charge of the maṭha. Some time ago he was forced to leave the country after the expiry of his visa, but he returned later.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah. The heading is "Eleven Krishna Devotees Held for Firing." "Five Indian and six foreign Vaiṣṇava devotees were arrested from Māyāpur maṭha of ISKCON, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, in Nabadwip last night when shots fired from inside the celebrated temple injured fifteen persons, most of them milkmen. A double-barreled gun was seized from the maṭha, it is reported. Police pickets have been posted since there is considerable tension in the nearby villages. Among those arrested is Swami Bhavānanda, an American in charge of the maṭha. Some time ago he was forced to leave the country after the expiry of his visa, but he returned later. The incident occurred at about 5 p.m. on Friday. Some boys were grazing their cattle on the fields outside the maṭha when some cows strayed into its compound. The cattle were beaten up by the inmates and driven out." It doesn't sound like our devotees. Beat up cows? "Angry milkmen from a nearby village crowded outside the maṭha. Shots were then fired from inside the maṭha, it is reported, injuring fifteen persons, two of them seriously. The police arrived on the scene within an hour. Among the six foreigners arrested are a Romanian, an Italian, and some Americans. The founder of the maṭha, Prabhupāda A.C. Bhaktivedanta, was not present." This is called slanted reporting. I mean, first of all, our devotees don't beat up the cows. We worship the cow. We don't beat cows. I can't take this as very factual account. So many statements here say, "It was reported," "It was reported." This is from a... It was published in Delhi, but it's datelined Calcutta, and the event happened in Māyāpur. So by the time it got to Delhi it seems to have taken a strange shape. I thought you'd want to...
Prabhupāda: These goyālas are very aggressive.
Śatadhanya: Milkmen means goyālas.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bālāi goyālas.
Prabhupāda: It is not the Muhammadans.
Prabhupāda: No. Police inquiry must be there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should I save this?
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śatadhanya Mahārāja is going to be leaving to go to Māyāpur.
Śatadhanya: Myself and Prabhāsa, we're going to be leaving now for Delhi, then to Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: So what is the actual position, that they should...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Send a letter from there.
Prabhupāda: But why in the morning the cows will come?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It says here, "At 5 p.m. on Friday."
Prabhupāda: But they say it was attacked at night.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Well, that's what Gopāla Kṛṣṇa said over the telephone. I mean it's hard to... We don't know if this is correct or we don't know... After all, Gopāla was speaking to Māyāpur over the telephone, so he only may have gotten some mistaken information.
Prabhupāda: They say it was, they attacked at night, and they say five?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Five o'clock.
Prabhupāda: There is some mist...
Prabhupāda: The Sai Baba has been challenged in so many ways.
Mr. Myer: I went one day. I was sitting. I watched him, and he said "Come with me," and... It was a while back. So like that, he's... But then when I told him about ISKCON he's definitely interested to know all about that. Because my eldest brother, he became a member first in Māyāpur about four or five years ago.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda said Sai Baba has been exposed in so many ways now.
Mr. Myer: Yes. Biggest problem with him is, see, that he has some sort of a charm over people. Mainly people who go to him, they want some miracles. People who want some...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They shaved the Muslim's head. (laughter) Like with Rukmī. Same punishment was meted out by Lord Kṛṣṇa to Rukmī. We have to follow our predecessors. Kṛṣṇa is the original predecessor. So far, I have not written anything to them because I think they should first send their report. You've been speaking... Actually, what you've been saying is very encouraging. Just like yesterday you said that they have done right, but I'm not communicating any of this to Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. This is not to...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They should first of all send a report before we tell them anything, because we should get the actual facts from them.
Indian man (1): (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. And you can charge some fees, entrance fee. People will gladly pay. All around, this doll exhibition, and in the medium, a planetarium, small.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Small?
Prabhupāda: Yes. If they're going to have it in Māyāpur, they can have a little... Not very small. Proportionate.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. He says, "The FATE..." They call it FATE, First American Theistic Exhibition. "The FATE Los Angeles exhibit is now complete with very small details remaining on the complex computer system. It will be operational on July 10th." Four days ago. "And the grand opening will be held on Janmāṣṭamī this year. I have no right to hope in this way, but in spite of my intelligence, I wish Your Divine Grace could see this first attempt for theistic exhibition in the Western world."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Is the Consulate has come?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. The Consulate went to Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: We already said that this is a Communist plan.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They stripped a woman naked. Look at how these Muslims behaved. And after all these years of our distributing prasādam, and still they act like this.
Prabhupāda: They are Communist group. Muslims are not so bad, but the Communists... They are... Communists are creating as Hindu-Muslim or like that, religious group. He has written something about Communists?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I didn't notice. Here's a little news clipping. It's probably the same. You probably have seen this already. This is from Indian Express. "Why Krishna Mandir Men Fired Salvo." By a... "An attack on the devotees and destruction of the premises of ISKCON Māyāpur Chandrodaya Mandir, West Bengal, led to the shooting incident, according to Mr. Gopāla Kṛṣṇa Dāsa, Secretary, Bombay center of the organization. Mr. Dāsa, in his statement issued on Monday, said the news from their sources in Bengal stated that on July 8th about fifty miscreants were found encroaching on our agricultural field and stealing our crops. When a devotee requested them to stop, they became angry and beat him up, fracturing his skull. Nearly 250 supporters of the miscreants..." Notice how they're not going to use "Muslims." They say "miscreants." They don't say "Muslims." Probably the paper wants to avoid. This is a hot issue. No one wants to write "Hindu-Muslim." "Nearly 250 supporters of the miscreants armed with sticks and spears suddenly appeared from behind the bushes and all of them entered the temple area. Mr. Dāsa said the miscreants beat several more devotees, including the Gurukula school headmaster, whose both hands and skull were broken. They also stripped naked a female disciple. They cut off electrical connections, telephone lines and water pipes. The police did not come for two hours, and meanwhile the group destroyed the gate, broke windows and stole two bulls. According to ISKCON Secretary, as a final resort, one ran for a gun, appropriately licensed and registered with the government, and fired a shot in the air. As the group persisted, he fired again into the ground which injured eleven of the miscreants. All of those injured have been discharged from the hospital." They're not injured seriously at all. "Mr. Dāsa said the police advised the devotees to go to the Krishnanagar police station to report the incident, and when they did go there they were arrested. Two devotees in critical condition were also detained in the jail hospital. Asked why our men have been kept in jail, the police replied, 'As a precaution.' "
Prabhupāda: This report is already there.
Prabhupāda: This report is already there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Next, then the next is: "Probe Urged Into Krishna Cultists. Chief Minister Jyoti Basu has urged the Central Government to investigate how some of the foreign Vaiṣṇavas of Māyāpur temple of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness who clashed with the villagers last weekend could return to India after extradition from the country." And he's against us. Naturally, he's a big Communist. "In his report on the incident to Home Minister Charan Singh, Mr. Basu has drawn the Center's attention to reports that these foreigners came back to India by obtaining new passports and visas. This aspect, he felt, should be inquired into." He's against us. "The US Consulate visited the āśrama and met some of the American Vaiṣṇavas. The Consulate has not lodged any complaint with the government about the Friday incident."
Prabhupāda: So many stories fabricated.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Fifty men stealing our crops. I've seen in Māyāpur. When men steal crops, three, four men go. I never saw fifty men. Highly organized. They must have paid them to do this.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And another thing that they probably told them is that we're trying to get their land by acquisition. "But we won't let them ever get your land. Now you do this. Drive them out of here. We won't arrest you."
Prabhupāda: That is a different issue.
Prabhupāda: ...they want people join together and protest. And what is the response from Caitanya Maṭha? And that Surendranath Das is with Caitanya Maṭha, or he's doing something independently? A remark by such a great officer, I.D., is not to be neglected.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm thinking to send a copy of the letter direct to Māyāpur and another one through Calcutta, just in case there's some...
Prabhupāda: Do the needful.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do you want me to go to Delhi, or should I wait until Bhakti-caitanya comes with Mr. Nai on Thursday?
Prabhupāda: No, here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Today's Tuesday. (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think the main reason he can't live there anymore is that because of doing business he'll not always be able to be in Māyāpur, and he doesn't feel that that house is safe for his wife to live there alone.
Prabhupāda: Why alone? Can live with others.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Other householders there also.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Many householders can live there together.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. There's room on the floor below...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't know what's behind it. I don't know the full reason why he doesn't want to stay there anymore.
Prabhupāda: If he wants to do business, how he can stay there?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. There's no business in Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: What is business there?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He wants to go where there's a business center.
Prabhupāda: No, business means he must do business in some city.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Bombay.
Prabhupāda: Anywhere. Bombay is the best city. He has got facility to stay there. For business Bombay is the best city.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Last night I heard on the radio—they were having news-yesterday in the Raja Sabha (Senate of the Indian Government) the Communist leader Bhupesh Gupta, he said that the government should close the Māyāpur center.
Prabhupāda: That is their business. Now you have to take the opposite, that "Why these people are so anxious about this unrest? Let there be further inquiry by the Janata party. And suspend..." No. Yes. "And suspend the Communist government for the time being."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Suspend the Communist government. Why suddenly the Communists are saying that "Oh, here is CIA"? Now, if they're saying that, Prabhupāda said, then you they should ask them "Oh, there's a big thing with them. Let us investigate." Investigate the whole matter thoroughly.
Prabhupāda: Just photograph a copy.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right. When Yaśomatīnandana goes to Delhi he can make a photocopy. Send it to the man by mail. "Thought we'd let you know, CIAs are back in Māyāpur." (break)
Prabhupāda: ...because there is psychological difference.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: See, one thing is that... Of course, when one has no energy, when one has no strength, then it's hard to be active. But then the other thing is true, that when one is active, he gets appetite automatically.
Prabhupāda: Therefore those who are physically active, they can eat more.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, it's true.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. First thing is you get ghee.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. We are already giving him one fifth of what Hari-śauri sends. "The newspapers gave some account of an incident in Māyāpur. When asked to make a statement to the press, however, I do not know what happened. Please let the secretary inform us." I made a copy of Jayapatāka's report, and I made five copies of it, so I'll send him one. I did it for this reason.
Prabhupāda: That's good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then... "I hope this letter finds Your Divine Grace in good health."
Prabhupāda: It doesn't depend on my good or bad health. It is all spiritual news. Spiritually I become very much enlivened.
Prabhupāda: How they are making dolls, show him. How nice dolls.
Dr. Kapoor: Oh.
Prabhupāda: I brought them here and kept them in Māyāpur.
Dr. Kapoor: Ācchā, and they got the training there.
Prabhupāda: And they have learned now. Now they are making better dolls than the Krishnanagar potters. They are very intelligent. The intelligence was not properly used. Now they have got chance. In Bhāgavata it is said, sarasvatī jñāna-khale yathā satī. This knowledge, why it should be locked up amongst the jñāna-khala? In India this knowledge is available, and they should be packed up amongst themselves? Now it is the time to distribute.
Prabhupāda: Not bad.
Yaśomatīnandana: But he might not come immediately.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He said he wanted to meet Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Don't go to him. This Māyāpur incident is a handling of the Communists.
Yaśomatīnandana: Now there is Communist government there.
Prabhupāda: Please try to... Just try to understand. There is a story that a thief entered in a room, and the proprietor, he was in the other room. As soon as there was some sound, he inquired, "Who is there in that room?" The man said, "No, no, I am not stealing." You see? That means he is thief. So this voting board raised the question, "How they are getting visa?" In the Parliament also they are raising the same question. That means it is Communist manipulation, the Māyāpur affair.
Prabhupāda: Why not? Let him.
Yaśomatīnandana: Because he can say he has five companies; now he has given his life to Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: But I am sure this Māyāpur incident is a Communist plan. That is...
Yaśomatīnandana: Yes, that is sure.
Prabhupāda: There is no doubt.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Gopāla Kṛṣṇa has come.
Prabhupāda: Has he brought some books?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't know. I just got word that he was here.
Yaśomatīnandana: I think he has brought First Canto, Part Two, Hindi.
Prabhupāda: When Viśvāmitra Mahārāja went to see Daśaratha about..., Daśaratha Mahārāja inquired from Viśvāmitra, aihistaṁ(?) yat punar-janma-jayāya: "You are great saintly person. You are trying to conquer over birth and death. Is your process going on nicely?" Viśvāmitra inquired Daśaratha Mahārāja about royal activities, government, prosperity, because he was kṣatriya and he was brāhmaṇa. So my request... This, our Gītā philosophy, that cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ... (BG 4.13). There must be a class of men, ideal brāhmaṇas; a class of men, ideal kṣatriyas; class of men, ideal vaiśyas; and balance, śūdras, to help. That will make the human society happy. Cooperate. Just like body. There are different departments: head department, then arms department, then the belly department and the leg department. If they are all in good condition, the health is all right. And now, at the present moment, I am suffering because my belly department is not working nicely. So we cannot neglect any department. There must be all the departments, and they must be cooperative and healthy. So this movement is meant for that purpose. It is the duty of government to give us protection. The counter movement is this Communistic movement. They want to drive away God conscious and we want to give God con..., completely opposite. Therefore they do not like it. This Māyāpur affair has been completely...
Prabhupāda: But you can consider our situation, that such big, big establishment and Deity... Here is a big establishment. In Māyāpur there is Deity also. They are trained up. They are helping me. So kindly... At least we have submitted some list. So give them either permanent residence or citizenship. In America I have got permanent residency, so why not here? If there is no such arrangement, give them citizenship. They have nothing...
Governor: I am meeting the Home Minister tomorrow also. I will also talk to him, Charan Singh. The meeting is. He's mainly going.
Prabhupāda: Because every year I am losing five to six lakhs of rupees for their going, again coming. Just like he's acting my secretary. Now his visa is finished. He has to go, and again he has to come back. And that means ten thousand, more than ten thousand. So in this way so many workers are...
| Page Title: | Mayapur (Conversations 1977 Apr - Sep) |
| Compiler: | Visnu Murti, RupaManjari |
| Created: | 27 of Jun, 2012 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=86, Let=0 |
| No. of Quotes: | 86 |