Hari-śauri: But how can they take it that what we're doing is a bad thing? If we're training people how to avoid intoxication, how to avoid illicit sex, abortion, contraception . . .
Prabhupāda: They say: "Why you should avoid? This is life. Why you are brainwashing?" One boy was there in the beginning . . . what was his name? Ranchor, his name, I gave him. So his father argued, "Why you are avoiding illicit sex? This is life! Why you are afraid? I'll give you car. I'll give you girls. You enjoy. What is this philosophy, nonsense philosophy?" His father was arguing. I think everyone's father argues like that. Lord Ronaldsay, he said: "Why you are prohibiting this thing? This is our life. It is impossible."
Hari-śauri: The thing is in society still, even now, there are people who abstain from it. There are vegetarians or . . .
Prabhupāda: There may be very few, one or two. That is insignificant. One million, two person, he is. At least especially in your country.
Hari-śauri: The thing is that they don't claim that they are brainwashed. So we're a society where we're doing all these things, combinedly.
Prabhupāda: "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." If the majority are fools and rascal, if you say something sane, then they'll ask . . . the man, the sane man, he is insane. He's crazy.
Hari-śauri: Hmm. Then how to fight them?
Prabhupāda: That is the position. The only means is that in spite of all opposition you have to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That will cleanse. Otherwise there is no other way. Argument and logic, they have no brain to understand. It requires this transcendental method, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12), by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. You have to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and let them . . . give the chance to hear. Then they will be able to catch it, what we are saying. Not directly. It is not possible.