Ātreya Ṛṣi: Individual's freedom, when he is ignorant, it is not really freedom because it's completely under the control...
Prabhupāda: And when he gets the money, and he spends it, and he sees, "My poverty is gone," then he becomes thankful. "Oh, it is so merciful that he has given me this thing."
Ātreya Ṛṣi: The individual freedom, when he is in the mode of ignorance, is completely under the laws of material nature. When the individual makes spiritual advancement...
Prabhupāda: Individual freedom means.... We should always know our freedom is limited.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Limited. Yes. But...
Prabhupāda: So we are not.... Because the Absolute, so how you can..., your freedom can be absolute?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: So the karmī thinks.... His freedom is limited to thinking "Am I going to eat this meat rare or well done?" That is the sort of freedom he is getting.
Prabhupāda: No, you have to...
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Completely ignorance.
Prabhupāda: Just like a thief. He also has got the conscience, "Why shall I steal?"
Ātreya Ṛṣi: "This or this."
Prabhupāda: "This or this." But he knows that "If I do it, I shall be punished."
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes. But when an individual spirit...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is that actual freedom, though? Is that freedom?
Prabhupāda: No, I have already said that you cannot have absolute freedom.