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Interviewer: All right, thank you. Caller, you're on the air with the Swami on KGO.
Caller (woman): Oh, hi. Is this on? I just wanted to ask to Swami where karma enters in as far as his teachings are concerned and also whether his concept of God is that of a being that is good and so reflected through healings?
Interviewer: Okay. Karma, is this a part of your religion?
Prabhupāda: Yes, karma. Karma means work, fruitive work. As you work, as you sow...
Nara-Nārāyaṇa: Lord Jesus himself never claimed that he would be responsible. As a matter of fact, he would heal certain persons who by their karma were blind, or lame deaf, or some disease, even dead, he would bring them back to life, so many things. And then when he healed them, he invariably said after, he said, "Now go thou and sin no more lest the worst thing befall you." And he has been saved by Jesus personally, yet Jesus is saying, "lest the worst thing befall you." How can the worst thing befall you if everything he does then is all right? So that means Jesus does not take that responsibility.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Why he should be responsible? If you are not a Christian, why he should be responsible? Now, here he says that "Now you have sinned, full reaction I have washed, don't do it again."
Nara-Nārāyaṇa: Yeah.
Harry: No, you do, don't you? There's only these little things, you know. To me, I mean, you come past me, my house, and if I'm out there, it makes no difference to me at all. And I don't suppose it makes any difference to a certain other people, but there's just that little bit of nuclear that, you know, will sort of catch on to it, as a, as a means to their own ends or to justify their rumors, I suppose. This is what I think. Well, anyway, we can sort out that as we go along.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah. Time heals all wounds.
Harry: Ah yes, time... yeah. I dare say, I mean, possibly about next year, there may be something, someone else may have bought another house. So, so there'd be rumors about that.
Prabhupāda: In America, we are recognized by the police: We are well-behaved, peaceful persons.
Prabhupāda: You'll have. You like to be bald-headed?
Pearl: (laughs) No, I think I'll keep my hair if you don't mind. I can't give up everything.
Prabhupāda: All right.
Pearl: If my leg could be healed, and I want to advance spiritually.
Prabhupāda: Well, leg, you are different from leg. Yes. Even leg is not healed, you can be healed.
Pearl: You mean healed spiritually.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is real healing.
Prabhupāda: If you renounce something for zero, then what is the value of renunciation: There must be something better. Then you renounce. Otherwise what is the value of renunciation? To become zero?
Robert Gouiran: May I ask you what do you think about possibility of healing?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Yogeśvara: Healing.
Prabhupāda: Healing? Where is healing? You are dying, and where is the healing?
Robert Gouiran: You don't think that people could have a gift for healing?
Prabhupāda: There is no healing in the material world. There is disease always. There is no question of healing. Their healing is temporary. I am suffering from some disease. You give me some medicine. Does it mean that there will be no more disease? You heal that temporary disease. Again another disease. So where is the healing? So this is to be thought, that... Healing, that is the problem. There is no healing. There is always disease, this disease or that disease. If you prefer this disease heal, you are cured, and there will be no more disease, then you are profited. Another disease. You heal this, another disease. You heal this, another disease.
Prabhupāda: What is that instrument if this instrument is blunt or what is the use of that instrument? Simply possessing one instrument is sufficient? It must work, but if it does not work? You cannot stop death, you cannot stop birth, you cannot stop old age, you cannot stop disease.
Robert Gouiran: So you think that all healers are fool?
Prabhupāda: I don't say fool, there will be intelligent, but they cannot heal. If you see they cannot heal, still they are very nice, that is your business. We say that he cannot heal. If you say that in spite of his being unable to heal, still he's intelligent, that is your business. I say that he cannot heal. What do you think?
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: You cannot heal, you cannot stop death.
Prabhupāda: Yes, you cannot heal. How you can say that you can stop old age, you can heal disease? How you can say? You cannot... You can't stop death, you can't stop birth. You cannot do this.
Robert Gouiran: But when somebody has fall down, you can help him to stand.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. Fall down, that does not mean you can..., you stop his death or you stop his birth, stop his disease. So point is when I say you cannot heal, that's a fact. That's a fact. You can heal one disease, another disease will appear. Therefore you cannot heal.
Robert Gouiran: What do you mean by "you"? What is this "you", who can't heal? I don't...
Robert Gouiran: So you mean that nobody should...
Prabhupāda: I don't say that. Why do you take in a different way? I say you cannot heal.
Robert Gouiran: Cannot heal.
Prabhupāda: Now in spite of this fact, if you try to do it, (it's) your business. But I say you cannot heal. If you want to go on, in spite of your inability to heal, that is your business, but I say I challenge that you cannot heal. That is my proposition. Now you go on with your business, that in spite of being unable to heal, if you go on healing activities, you go on. Who takes you? But I say you cannot heal. You are other (indistinct). Nobody can heal. What is that? Is that all right?
Yogeśvara: It's very strong.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is a fact.
Robert Gouiran: To be better, if he suffers.
Prabhupāda: Better, that is everyone is trying, that is... But there is no cure. If you think that temporary cure is better, that's nice, but there is no cure.
Robert Gouiran: So do you mean that healing is an illusion? Because healing is a fact.
Prabhupāda: But if you cannot cure, then where is that healing? First of all answer this. If you cannot cure, then where is that healing?
Robert Gouiran: But healing is a fact of life. I have seen.
Prabhupāda: What is that fact?
Robert Gouiran: I have seen healings.
Prabhupāda: Where is that? You heal some disease, and he gets another disease. Then where is the healing?
Robert Gouiran: Temporary.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Yogeśvara: Temporary, he says.
Prabhupāda: Temporary, therefore I say you cannot heal.
Yogeśvara: Temporary, he says.
Prabhupāda: Temporary, therefore I say you cannot heal.
Robert Gouiran: It has been useful...
Prabhupāda: It may be temporary... That is struggle for existence. That is said here, manaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi kartayam (?), they are concocting in the mind that "I am healing," but it is..., there is no healing.
Robert Gouiran: Yes.
Robert Gouiran: Yes. It's not because some American hospital are not healer that healing does not exist.
Prabhupāda: No, no, they're trying, everyone is trying to heal, American or Englishman or European, it doesn't matter. Everyone is trying but there is no healing. That is our point.
Guru-gaurāṅga: He's saying that there is a value to temporary healing.
Prabhupāda: That's a... Temporary value, we also give but we say there is no healing.
Yogeśvara: Ah, yes, healing in the sense that it will never happen again.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: It is in his mind, that he thinks that he is healed. Just like if you have a disease and then you have terrible disease that produces headache and so you take aspirin to relieve the headache, but still the disease is there. So he thinks, "I am O.K. now."
Robert Gouiran: Wait, I say that taking aspirin is not a good healing.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: This is example. The disease is still there.
Robert Gouiran: Well, but it is by such example that we could be misled.
Prabhupāda: That is good thing, that is healing? Do you think honestly, there is healing? There is no disease?
Robert Gouiran: I have seen healings.
Prabhupāda: What is that you have seen, that he is not diseased? You have seen a man temporarily healed but why he suffers from another disease? Do you guarantee that there will be no disease? Can you guarantee?
Robert Gouiran: No more.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Robert Gouiran: No, because I don't know anything...
Prabhupāda: Then where is the healing? If there is disease, this disease... You simply distinguish from this disease to that disease.
Robert Gouiran: No, because I don't know anything...
Prabhupāda: Then where is the healing? If there is disease, this disease... You simply distinguish from this disease to that disease.
Robert Gouiran: So how do you call a temporary...
Prabhupāda: That is admitted. That is admitted. I say you may have some temporary healing effect, but there is no healing. That is our point.
Robert Gouiran: So you call it temporary healing.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's all. But there is no healing.
Robert Gouiran: So what do you think about temporary healing?
Prabhupāda: Temporary means temporary healing. That's all. (indistinct) Ultimately, you cannot heal. But you're satisfied by temporary heal. But we want complete healing. No more disease.
Devotees: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: That is healing.
Robert Gouiran: But do you think that some people could have best... better gift for healings, for temporary healings than other?
Prabhupāda: For temporary healing or best or worst, it is temporary.
Robert Gouiran: But, I mean, do you think some people could have a gift for that?
Prabhupāda: He can talk with (indistinct) He do not, he does not understand what I've given. I say there is no healing.
Robert Gouiran: Yes. I understand that.
Prabhupāda: That's all. But your business is temporary healing. That's all.
Robert Gouiran: How do you, why do you eat? It's taking a medicine. Food is a medicine.
Prabhupāda: But we don't say that is healing. Temporary relief, that's all.
Robert Gouiran: Eating is... You...
Prabhupāda: That is not relief. That is temporary appeasement. That is all.
Guru-gaurāṅga: It's getting late, I think.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotees: All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. (devotees pay obeisances)
Prabhupāda: Our point is there is no healing. That is all. Give him some prasādam. (devotees leave)
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: ...that everything is Kṛṣṇa's, therefore it should be used for Kṛṣṇa's service.
Prabhupāda: Healing is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, nothing (indistinct).
Reverend Powell: Well, they're all very good, aren't they? (laughs) And so in reading about Lord Kṛṣṇa, I take it that He performed many miracles of healing. I'm very interested in spiritual healing because in my ministry here in Australia I've been twenty-nine years in the Harley Streets, the streets of doctors. I'm now in Colin (?) Street. I was in McQuarrie Street in Sydney. And in Sydney I had forty-one medical men on, and women, mainly men on my role of members, and we work very closely. This very day I've been working closely with a doctor with a certain patient who's having what is called a nervous breakdown. And we, over the years, have spent a lot of time with spiritual healing. Now, do you yourself practice spiritual healing?
Prabhupāda: Hmm, no. Practically, we have very little suffering from disease. The devotees... We are spending so much money, but we don't spend for doctors' bill. You see?
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: You have to judge by the fruits.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You cannot teach your own people, and you are going to teach others. "Physician heal thyself." Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Greets someone.) You have failed to teach your own children, they are disappointed, and you are going to teach others. This is another cheating. It is not the question of... That is another fault—"our," "your." There is no question of "our," "your." Any culture, actually if it is culture, it is meant for the whole human society.
Prabhupāda: Well, everyone is in trouble. At the present moment even the ministers are in trouble.
Director: Yes, but that is not what our function is. Everybody's in trouble. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Physician, heal thyself. You see? They are also drunkards, they are also woman-hunters, meat-eaters, and gambling, that's all. They require to be rectified.
Prabhupāda: If a tuberculosis person, suffering from tuberculosis, he wants to enjoy sex, that means he will die very soon. His life is finished. But he wants that, that "I shall suffer from tuberculosis, at the same time enjoy." Then all right, go to hell. What can be done? Enjoyment is the life, but when you are diseased, you must first of all "Heal thyself," then enjoy. That enjoyment will be nice. This is the instruction of śāstra, that you are working so hard day and night like hogs and dogs, but where is your enjoyment? First of all cure your disease. Then you will be happy. Simply working hard like hogs and dogs, you are thinking that you will enjoy.
Prabhupāda: First cousin, yes.
Jayapatākā: There was some case of that in the royalty in France, and they got some bleeding disease from that, hemophilia. If they got any cut, then that would never heal. It would only bleed until they died.
Prabhupāda: So it is very scientific not to get married of the same blood.
Jayapatākā: Many people ask us what gotra we are.
Prabhupāda: You are acyuta-gotra. You can say acyuta-gotra. Acyuta means never falls down.
Prabhupāda: In these Commandments it is clearly said that "Thou shalt not kill." How they will detect? If they are violating themselves the laws, how they will punish the lawbreaker? "Physician, heal thyself." The physician himself is diseased, and he's going to treat other patients.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Māyāpura is wonderful at the winter season.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You get the benefit of the winter sun, which is tremendously healing in its effect.
Prabhupāda: In November, December, January, February.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think you once said to us that if one sits for some time in the winter sun, he'll never get sick.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: According to the kavirāja, his treatment is that first of all he has to take care of your liver and kidneys before giving you strength. He said there's no question of you getting any strength until your liver and kidneys are healed.
Prabhupāda: So take the medicine.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, that's not necessarily the only solution, to stop. I just explained, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that that is not the only way. Another way may be that they add some other kind of medicine which stops the passing of stool. The medicine you're getting is supposed to be doing good to your kidney and liver. That it causes you to pass stool, that is not good, but at the same time, it may be doing good for the kidney and liver. If you stop taking it, then how will you heal the kidney and liver? Simply by not passing stool, that's not going to heal the kidney and liver. What we want is that you should not pass stool too much and at the same time you can still have your kidney and liver healed. Naturally, if you stop taking medicine, the stool may stop passing.
Prabhupāda: And he is not experienced.
| Page Title: | Heal (Conversations) |
| Compiler: | Vrindi, Visnu Murti, Gopinath |
| Created: | 28 of Dec, 2008 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=21, Let=0 |
| No. of Quotes: | 21 |