Devotee: So take it that there is a man, Śrīla Prabhupāda, who is not very learned in śāstra, but he only simply does what his guru tells him.
Prabhupāda: What is learned? What is learned? A child, does he require learning. When the father says, "You do it," does it require any university education?
Devotee: No.
Prabhupāda: "He is my father." That's all.
Guru dāsa: Nara-priya(?) do not know śāstras. They know unalloyed devotion.
Prabhupāda: No, that is the nature. A child generally abides by the order of the parent. They are playing. The parent says, "Don't do it! Sit down!" Immediately sit down. That is the nature. So why don't you break your nature, that "My duty is to carry out the order of the supreme father?" Then you are safe.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: And when you carry out that order—you fully surrender—then you enjoy full freedom.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is full freedom.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: That is the freedom.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is freedom.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: That is absolute freedom.
Prabhupāda: Full freedom means to be under the order of the Supreme. That is full freedom. That is full freedom.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: The cinema or restaurant is not freedom. It's completely conditioning under the laws of material nature. But fully surrendered soul is fully free.
Prabhupāda: No, no, if you simply, even if you want to go to a cinema...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: He's still responsible for going.
Prabhupāda: If you ask, "Father, I wish to see cinema," if father says, "All right, we'll go," that is not sinful. But you go in your own whims—that is sinful. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā (ISO 1).
Cyavana: Sometimes it's difficult as devotees for us to know whether we're doing the right thing or whether we're just speculating.
Prabhupāda: And therefore you have to consult your guru.
Cyavana: Yes.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: It's because we are not surrendered.
Cyavana: But even in small things, just day-to-day activities...
Prabhupāda: There is no small thing. Everything big thing for a devotee.
Sudāmā: I've discovered, Śrīla Prabhupāda, the way to do that, of course, is to read your books.
Prabhupāda: Yes.