Dr. Kneupper: Is it possible to escape the conditions of being in the body?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is possible. That is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. And that is the real problem. As soon as you get a body, you are in trouble.
Dr. Kneupper: What is the purpose of there being a body?
Prabhupāda: Being in body means... What is the purpose of being in the jail? Is there any purpose?
Dr. Kneupper: Some punishment.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So because we are punished, therefore we are getting this body.
Dr. Kneupper: Why does man... Why does the soul come into the body in the first place?
Dr. Kneupper: But he must have done something...
Prabhupāda: You want to enjoy. Can you understand this? Everyone is trying to enjoy. So enjoy independently means that you don't care for... That is the fact. They don't care for God. So because they don't care for God, therefore they are punished: "You take care of your body." And as soon as you care for God, then there is no material body. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti. So God, therefore, teaches us how to get out of this body.
Dr. Kneupper: That's the whole idea of mokṣa?
Dr. Kneupper: Mokṣa?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is. Mokṣa means to stay in your original body. And bondage means we want different types of enjoyment, so God gives us the facility: "All right. Enjoy." If I do not make any discrimination of food... As human being, we must have discrimination. But if you don't discriminate, then you get the body of a pig. You can eat even stool. If you want to eat meat unrestricted, you become a tiger. Nature will give you facility. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). Dehāntara. And there are 8,400,000's of bodies. So according to your desire, you'll get a body. God will give you.