Prabhupāda: He was not seeing even the king. "Oh, this is not possible for him. Let him be punished. He has taken money from the state. I don't wish to interfere." Then nobody could request him anything. So some way or other, the news approached the king, and the king was astonished, "Oh, why this arrangement was made for killing him? I never ordered. Stop him." Then he sent his special messenger, that, "Stop this and call him. What is the matter?" Then he said everything, that, "Your son, I could not pay his money. He wanted money, and he made this arrangement." So, "Why did you take money in this way? Do you think your salary is not sufficient to provide you? All right. Don't do this. All right, I excuse. And I increase your salary double. Don't do this again." So was he saved in his life, his salary was increased. And he was going to be killed. Although Caitanya Mahāprabhu never desired, but these things happened.
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1971 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: Jayānanda, how are you? So you are married now? Eh? So where is your marriage presentation?
Jayānanda: Pardon?
Prabhupāda: When you are not married, you gave me five thousand dollars. Now you are married, you must give me now ten thousand, double. Come on. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (indistinct) Where is your brother?
Makhanlal: I think he is in London.
Prabhupāda: What he is doing now?
Makhanlal: Building the Ratha-yātrā carts.
Prabhupāda: Ohh.
Makhanlal: For the festival.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, you are Nara-nārāyaṇa's brother. (devotees enter and pay obeisances) Hare Kṛṣṇa, come on. Nara-nārāyaṇa is very nice boy. Everything is all right? Where is your center?
Devotee (1): Tucson.
Prabhupāda: Where?
Dr. Weir: Well, I think there's a double difference always with these things between the subject and the object. If in other words, it's objectively necessary to gratify the senses, if you like. In other words, you've got to have diets and things like that, and you've got to breathe, but you can also get a subjective pleasure out of doing that which is different from just doing it automatically. Sometimes we know when we're busy, we just shovel our food down. We don't really have any gratification out of it. We just ha...
Śyāmasundara: Yes. There are four basic principles that Prabhupāda mentioned, eating, sleeping, mating and defending, which are natural for the animals or to the humans. But man is using his propensity, his conscious propensity, to simply enjoy material nature on a more advanced level: to eat better, to sleep more, to have better sex life and so on. It still boils down to that. Everyone is seeking sense pleasure.
Prabhupāda: Such propensities are there in animals. Then what makes the difference between animals and man?
Dr. Weir: Animals, as far as I know, don't conduct scientific research.
Śyāmasundara: What is the point of scientific research?
Prabhupāda: We should simply try to improve our Kṛṣṇa consciousness, how we can better serve Kṛṣṇa. That is our business. Bodily comforts, this comfort, that is already settled up with this body. But we should also know that anyone who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, if he has got any slight desire for bodily comfort, he'll get that. He'll get that. But without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if he tries, that is not possible. If I have got slight desire for my material improvement, Kṛṣṇa will satisfy you, if you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That means you are double way benefited. You get Kṛṣṇa consciousness as well as your desire for material benefit. That is also there. But without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if you want to improve your material condition, that is not possible. Deha-yogena de... You may become rich, that's all right, but comfort does not depend on your richness. If you're not Kṛṣṇa conscious, it does not mean because you have got some money by struggling very hard you'll get. There are so many rich men you'll find, they are not comfortable. I have heard from our students, their parents, just like Śyāmasundara was telling, his father is taking... What is that pill?
Devotee: You said that if you have some material desire and you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you get double benefit, that the material desire is fulfilled and also you get Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee: But if you have that material desire, does that slow up your advancement?
Prabhupāda: By Kṛṣṇa consciousness it will vanish. But Kṛṣṇa is so kind, because you desire, He'll give you. He'll give you. Kṛṣṇa is so kind that "Oh, you wanted this? All right, you take!" That is the benefit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You get both these things. You reject, "No, I asked for..." That is real pure devotion. "For this paltry happiness I requested Kṛṣṇa. What a fool I was." But Kṛṣṇa will give you because you desire. Therefore Dhruva Maharaja regretted that "I was such a fool that I came to in the forest Kṛṣṇa for asking my father's property. What a nonsense I was." But Kṛṣṇa gave. Better than. He demanded that "I shall have a property," because that was child. His stepmother insulted, so he was determined. Nārada Muni had requested him, "My dear boy, you are child. Why you be afflicted to this insult? Go now to play." So he said, "Your instruction is very nice, but I am so degraded, I cannot accept it as such. If you kindly give me some way that I can get," I mean, "material opulence better than my grandfather and father. You just give me such a post." His father was Uttānapāda. Grandfather was Brahma.
1972 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: Continuously?
Śyāmasundara: He says that someday he hopes that the devotees, your disciples, may acquire half of the energy that you have for preaching.
Prabhupāda: Why not full or double? You may have doubled.
Devotee (1): It's inconceivable.
Prabhupāda: Just like my Guru Mahārāja did not travel all over the world, so I have got double energy than him. So you must triple energy, four times energy than me. Then actually disciple. My Godbrothers are envious because they could not do. They could not do even half of Guru Mahārāja's work, and I am doing ten times. So therefore they are envious. So if an ordinary man like me can do ten times, you are Americans-twenty times, then you are successful.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Devotee: Doubled, in one year it's doubled.
Sumati Morarjee: No, no. 40 percent has gone up in a year's time, on one property.
Prabhupāda: Because the Indians are coming.
Sumati Morarjee: Yes, they'll (indistinct) all the property.
Prabhupāda: (laughter)
Sumati Morarjee: And started taking all the shops. All the cinema theatres.
Prabhupāda: And London is practically no Indian.
Sumati Morarjee: I always say that I see more Indians in London than (indistinct).
Prabhupāda: (Hindi exchanges)
Sumati Morarjee: Oh, so much prasāda.
Devotee: Oh, we have prepared just a little for you.
Prabhupāda: It is a barren land, icy land, that's all. Huge land icy.
Devotee (3): They are being punished.
Prabhupāda: And I was in month of June, still in the morning the wind was so cold. And there is double glass in every window, double glass. Just like aeroplane, double. And at half past eleven in the month of June, when in your country it is half past eleven o'clock, that is evening. And at half past three o'clock, morning. And still the little night, that is just like dusk; it is not completely dark. And laborer class... (speaks to someone in Hindi) Keep it open. (break) (indistinct) Every corner of the street, Lenin's picture. All books are sold, they are Lenin. No other literature. You cannot get taxi. Poor men, they cannot pay for taxi. Very little number. When I was talking with Professor Kotovsky, so I asked him, "Now we shall go. Get me taxi." So he, "Yes, it is Moscow." So he got down, he personally showed me, "Instead of taking taxi waiting, please go in this way when you go to your hotel." He showed me shortcut. People are walking, and they are running for the bus. It is not at all a rich country. A poor country. And if you see the shops, you will find old (indistinct), just like antique shop. Because you cannot purchase generally, everything you have to purchase from government store, and in queue. It is botheration. And actually in India it is going to happen like this. Everything you have to purchase in queue. Here?
1973 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: Atheist theist? What is this?
Prajāpati: Just rascal, double talk.
Prabhupāda: Another rascal. Another rascal proposition.
Candanācārya: I asked him, "How can a theologist be an atheist?"
Prabhupāda: The whole thing is that because the whole world is full of rascals, they are all talking nonsense. No meaning. No meaning. It is only we, we have pointed out that "You are a rascal. You speak all nonsense." Now, taking this word atheist, what does he mean by atheist?
Candanācārya: Without theism?
Prabhupāda: No, no, that is not explanation.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Atheist means not believing in God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Say like that. Don't say in a negative way. In a positive way. What does it mean? Atheist.
1974 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: ...by enjoying this morning fresh air.
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And if you take bath in the Yamunā, you will get double energy. These are nature's gifts. And then we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. To live a spiritual life (is) very easy. (break) ...take photo.
Devotee: Oh, I can do that.
Prabhupāda: One side.
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So if somebody can manufacture by seeing the photograph in Jaipur. That's all right. Otherwise we shall test (?). (break) ...marble statues, by seeing the morning. (break) ...actual measurement.
Gurudāsa: Oh. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...our gṛhastha householders, how they are rising early, taking bath in Yamunā, coming to the temple.
Prabhupāda: On the basis of Bhagavad-gītā, then nobody can supercede. (break) ...he turns back all our money invested, (indistinct) people. (break) ...if he's prepared to pay double the price, so why not pay the full price, fourteen lakhs? We have paid two lakhs, let him pay twelve lakhs and he'll immediately transfer, and we'll take double price from him, so that... (break) ...if he's so eager. These, these are practical. If he's prepared to pay double, why not pay us? (break—switches to room conversation) Sun is the same. The power observation, this is a morning sun, this is noon sun. The sun is the same. We sometimes say that because this noon sun, it is so strong. So sun is always powerful. It is our appreciation, relative appreciation, that we consider in the morning it is less scorching and in the noon it is very scorching. Kṛṣṇa is always Kṛṣṇa. ...tābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ. Nija-rūpa kalā taya.
Prabhupāda: ...double feature is not understood by the Māyāvādīs. If Kṛṣṇa has created the whole, so why he should be separate? He is not separate, still separate. (break) ...regularly this book Kṛṣṇa, he will be liberated, simply by reading this book.
Girirāja: (break) "...narration of the Kāliya serpent and his punishment will need fear no more the envious activities of snakes. The Lord also declared, 'If one takes a bath in the Kāliya lake where My cowherd boyfriends and I have bathed, or if one, fasting for a day, offers oblations to the forefathers from the water of this lake, he will be relieved from all kinds of sinful reaction.' " (break)
Bhāgavata: ...actually are devotees or how do they become demons? Are they devotees? Obviously Kāliya is... Just like Jaya and Vijaya, they were devotees. And due to some offense, then they became demons and they fought with Kṛṣṇa to satisfy Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Anyone who is living in this material world is a demon. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Where is your mother?
Indian Lady: She is at home.
Bhagavān: Now, recently, in the last war in the Middle East, Saudi Arabians raised the price of the oil over double now, I think, as a pressure to the western countries to do things in their favor. Now they realized that the market for oil is in such great demand that they don't have to lower the price after the war, but they are going to keep the price. And actually the price is still increasing. So this is causing inflation.
Prabhupāda: So this problem will be solved as soon as we are localized. Petrol is required for transport, but if you are localized, there is no question of transport. You don't require petrol. Suppose in New Vrindaban, we stay, we don't go anywhere. Then where is the need of petrol?
Bhagavān: Petrol they also use for heating. And electricity.
Prabhupāda: No, heating. Heating we can do by wood. By nature.
Dhanañjaya: I remember, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you were saying that all we require is some oxen, and the oxen can carry.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The oxen will solve the problem of transport. That bullock cart. Just like Kṛṣṇa, when He was transferred from Gokula to Nandagrāma, so they took all the bullock carts, and within a few hours they transported them, the whole thing, their luggage, family member, everything.
Prabhupāda: That is also stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam by... That is also statement of Prahlāda Mahārāja, this boy devotee. He says, na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum: (SB 7.5.31) "These foolish people, they do not know, what is their actual self-interest." So he says, "They do not know the actual self-interest is approaching God. That is real self-interest. But they do not know it." Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā (SB 7.5.31). "They have made their plan wrongly to become happy in this material world." Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ (SB 7.5.31). Bahir-artha-māninaḥ means external: "They have taken the external energy, the material world, as very important. And the leaders also, the so-called leaders... They are being led. The leaders, they are blind, and they are leading some other blind men without knowing that they cannot be happy in that way because he is under strict, stringent laws of nature, material nature." That Bhagavad-gītā therefore recommends,
- daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī
- mama māyā duratyayā
- mām eva ye prapadyante
- māyām etāṁ taranti te
- (BG 7.14)
This is illusion, that they are under the control of the material nature... Just like the so-called foolish scientists. They don't care for God. They think by so-called scientific advancement they will progress..., all the problems will be solved. That is not possible. One of my students, he is double M.A. in chemistry and Ph.D. I asked him to discuss these things. He has written a small, a little book.
Dr. Muncing: I think that the situation which would apply to the Asian area, whilst I don't know it in complete detail, it's my impression that we have used very nearly all of the Australian area that is suitable for tilling the soil and growing food grains. There are vast areas of Australia that have very little rain, or if they have rain it comes intermittently. And it's my impression that the Australian area... The area that's used for growing grains in Australia couldn't be vastly increased. It couldn't be doubled, for instance. On the other hand I accept that it might well be possible to double the amount that comes off the present area. And of course, that's something that C.S.R.O. is working towards.
Dr. Harrap: I think you could add to that, Roy, that an attempt to grow grain in large areas of Australia would significantly damage the ecology, and from reading your writings, I suspect that this would be completely unacceptable to your way of thinking, that one doesn't disturb the natural life cycles of innumerable creatures in order to grow more grain because the terrain is just not suited to the grain growing.
Prabhupāda: The land is not suitable?
1975 Conversations and Morning Walks
Prabhupāda: What is this?
Rāmeśvara: Sometimes people order incense along with their books. Very rarely. The mail order business is now doing $100,000 worth of business every year and is always growing. It is almost doubled from last year.
Prabhupāda: Oh, you are printing these books?
Rāmeśvara: We're going to reprint them.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: 100,000 copies, with a color cover.
Prabhupāda: Nice. This, this, very nice.
Rāmeśvara: That is the size for the new Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hṛdayānanda: These are oils. (break)
Prabhupāda: This dramatic party, so they should be sent all, in India. Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is medical science.
Guest (1): Because all over the developing world there are millions of mothers who would not get any great quantities of protein while they are pregnant. In the first instance before they are pregnant, they are not nutritionally prepared for having another burden of a baby inside their body, and without that adequate preparation when they become pregnant, this is a double stress on their physiological systems. And we would like to see how the baby gets affected.
Prabhupāda: So if by chance there is baby, killing. Is that the conclusion?
Guest (1): No, our conclusions just say that there is a critical period in the development of the baby that if it does not get any good nutrition at that time, then he's likely to be retarded in many respects.
Prabhupāda: Therefore?
Prabhupāda: You can speak like rascal (?) (laughter) Why you are speaking?
Trivikrama: Double-talk.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Why did God arrange for the pleasures of sense gratification if He wants us to go back to home, back to Godhead?
Prabhupāda: Yes, senses are meant for enjoyment. But if you want to enjoy your senses in diseased condition, that is your misfortune. You have to cure your disease, then you will enjoy. Just like the tongue, in diseased condition, even if you are given rasagullā, you will not taste it. Senses, we are not the Māyāvādīs, they finish the senses, make, become impersonal. That is not our program. We want to purify the senses. Sarvopādhi vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam (CC Madhya 19.170). Purīfy. The diseased man, he cannot see. He has got some glaucoma disease. Cure it, and he will see very nicely. That is our program. The Māyāvādī program is that if this eye is giving trouble, I cannot see, pluck it out. We are not doing that, we are trying to cure the disease and see. So senses should be cured, and then you will be able to enjoy. That is our program. We are not stopping sense enjoyment; we are trying to give you real sense enjoyment.
Prabhupāda: One crore.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One crore collection. That will be a nice target. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...getting more price for their land on account of the temple.
Guest (1): Yes, Prabhupāda Mahārāja, they are just started asking double.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. But who is going to purchase it?
Guest (1): Ah, we are not.
Prabhupāda: The purchaser is ourself only.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about that land...
Prabhupāda: (break) ...not very nice last time. But this time also I am not eating, but I am working nice.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not eating?
Prabhupāda: No. This is improvement, no eating but working nicely.
Prabhupāda: So we have got food grains, we have got fruits, we have got milk. By combination of milk and food grains we can prepare so many nice palatable, full of vitamins. Why we should kill the animal? Let the animal live and take it's milk and prepare nice food, full of vitamins. Milk is nothing conversion of blood. So why do you take the blood by killing? Take the blood in a different form, milk. This is our program. Let the animal live peacefully, and if you are meat-eaters, let the animal die and you eat. There will be no charge for it. The meat-eaters, let us keep some animal, take milk, and when it dies naturally, you call the meat-eater, "Please take this." You take the skin free, you take the bones free, you eat meat. Just wait for the death. It will die after all. That much concession I want. But let the animal live without any fear of being killed so it will supply more milk. Suppose if you know that I am keeping you here for killing. Will you be very happy?
Your mind will be always disturbed. We cannot get good service from you. So animal also understands that "They are going to kill us." Therefore you don't get sufficient milk. But when they are assured that they will not be killed, they will give double milk. They do not know the psychology. This is going on.
Director: Thank you very much.
Prabhupāda: Fruits, grains, milk. And from milk, you can get hundreds of nice preparations, all nutritious. In our New Vrindaban we are doing that—rabri, pera, burfi. The other farmers are surprised that from milk such nice preparation can be prepared. So instead of teaching them—you Indian, you know how to utilize milk and prepare so many nice preparation,—you are learning how to eat meat. Why? So if you forget your culture and if you become victimized, that is your fault. You should teach them how to utilize milk. And if the cows are kept jubilant, they will deliver double milk. They know, "We shall be killed." They are always depressed. Therefore milk is not properly supplied. So that is stated in the Bhagavad..., er, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that during Mahārāja Yudhisthira's time the cows were so jubilant that milk was dropping from the milkbags, so much so that the pasturing grounds became muddy with milk. So if you keep... Killing of cows means utilizing the blood in different form. The milk is also another transformation of the blood. So if you take milk sufficiently and prepare nice foodstuff, then it is equally beneficial like the meat from health point of view. But one must know the..., learn that keep the cow living; at the same time be benefited by the blood.
Prabhupāda: "Cheerful attitude." If cows know. They have got intelligence that "We will be killed." Therefore they are not supplying sufficient milk. They cannot, just like if your mind is full of anxiety, you cannot work fully. So because they are denied this cheerfulness, you are getting less milk. If you keep them cheerful, they will give more milk. This is nature's economic development. Artificially you cannot increase the production of milk. But according to the instruction of scripture, if you keep them cheerful without any fear, they will deliver double milk. So therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is recommended that cows should be protected in the human society. If you want to eat meat, you can kill insignificant, small animal, but don't kill cows. There are other animals-hogs, pigs, goats, lambs or birds, so many, fish—if you are at all interested in meat-eating; but don't kill cow. Find out this verse from Bhagavad-gītā, kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam (BG 18.44). Those who are vaiśyas... Economic development... Vaiśya means economic development. They should produce ample food grains and give protection to the cows. Just like our Kṛṣṇa's life, His foster father was a vaiśya. So he is keeping so many hundred thousands of cows, and Kṛṣṇa was entrusted to take charge of the calves, Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. Let them come. So in one room, one person?
Jayapatāka: Two people. Double room.
Prabhupāda: Thirty-two rupees?
Jayapatāka: Thirty rupees.
Prabhupāda: Thirty rupees. And meals?
Jayapatāka: Six rupees a meal they are accustomed to pay.
Prabhupāda: That's very nice.
Jayapatāka: Either rice, dahl, and...
Prabhupāda: Capati.
Jayapatāka: And sabji. Otherwise puri and sabji.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. Why not begin immediately?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Indian man (1): Number of forces are increasing day by day, they will fight adequately.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: But you have done it singlehanded, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Single-handed, double-handed, doesn't matter—if Kṛṣṇa is there in the background. Arjuna fought singlehanded. Where is Praṇava? (Hindi)
Indian man (1): (Hindi) Everyone was very much satisfied.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted.
Indian man (1): Our Prabhupāda is kind enough to make so many swans like us to remove away all the evils of the world.
Prabhupāda: (aside) Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (end)
Prabhupāda: No, no. After, he became a great sage. That is all right. But in the beginning everyone is subjected. Which way we shall...
Kartikeya: We can go straight.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) Brahmānanda, you just take an idea. We shall construct Gurukula in this pattern.
Brahmānanda: This building here, double story.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Exactly. Double or three-storied.
Kartikeya: Most simple type.
Prabhupāda: Very simple type, very nice. Just get a sketch with your work. This will be done like that.
Brahmānanda: I'll ask Bhārgava. He has his camera. He can take photographs.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And downstairs, all shops. Only the roadside. Other side...
Brahmānanda: Oh, no. That's the courtyard, and then other side, a building. (break)
Bhavānanda: ...at the Gurukula best thing is outdoors classes. As soon as they're in rooms it gets too hot.
Prabhupāda: As far as possible, outdoors.
Prabhupāda: That is intelligence. If you can break laws, that is intelligence. So many laws. So which way we shall go?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: (break) We can go this way, straight. It goes around the park, around the lake. Usually the mother and the father, or at least the mother, they stay pretty close by.
Prabhupāda: It is double zero?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There's a z missing. Actually "Zoo Lake" it is called.
Prabhupāda: There are many zoos. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Just see. They do not check their population. How many? About one dozen? No.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Ten. Eleven. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...He used to collect all these things for guru's cooking. Kṛṣṇa went to collect with Sudāmā Vipra, and all of a sudden, there was cloud and rain, and there was too much water, and they lived upon a tree for the whole night. Then Sāndīpani Muni, other students, came and rescued them.
Prabhupāda: What do you charge when you go outside?
Dr. Patel: I charge, by night, hundred rupees, and day, sixty, fifty, sixty rupees, not much. I don't charge much here. Bombay people charge double than me. You mean you want to charge me? (laughter)
Prabhupāda: No, no. Hare Kṛṣṇa. No, I mean to say, you are a professional man, you charge, but why do you come here free unless you have in mind?
Dr. Patel: I don't understand why I am attracted to you specially. I don't understand. I very much thinking, I have been thinking about it. There must be some pūrva-janma. We may be relatives. I don't know. No sādhu has been able to attract me as much as you have. Not even temples have attracted me, to tell the truth.
Yaśomatīnandana: There is no sādhu except Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) Dr. Karttika Chandra Bose, he was a very big man. I was, under him, manager of Bose's laboratory. So from the very beginning my father was paying him two rupees fees. But when he became very big, still my father was paying two rupees. He was friend. So he refused to take. "No, no, no, you must be paid something." So he used to accept that two rupees. (break)
Prabhupāda: Kejiya? Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Hindi) Yan-maithunādi gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham (SB 7.9.45). (laughs) Beginning, sex. Again sex, again sex, again sex. (break)
Mahāṁsa: ...now we have about sixteen to eighteen thousand kg's of rice stocked up. We just harvested all the rice. We got a fairly good yield, not exceptionally good because it was our first attempt.
Prabhupāda: So your invested money is realized?
Mahāṁsa: Yes. If we sell that, we can get at least double.
Prabhupāda: "If we sell" means you sell it. First of all take whatever you invested, money.
Mahāṁsa: Yes, that is what I was thinking. Sell what we invested and distribute the rest.
Prabhupāda: Give them prasādam daily. So they are coming for kīrtana?
Mahāṁsa: Few people are coming, but there are not so many devotees there to have a...
Prabhupāda: Organize.
Mahāṁsa: ...big program. Yes. And all the devotees who are there are very new, all new recruits.
Prabhupāda: Then how we are going to organize?
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Prabhupāda: Yes.
Acyutānanda: In the Brahma-vaivarta... So a court case appeared. One man had some property in the name of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deities. So the court said, "You only have the quota for one family." So he argued that Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa are not married; They are two separate families, so They should have double quota of land. So he won the case on that. But if somebody came from the south, he said, "No, They can be married also," he would have lost.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think, Prabhupāda, there is..., you wrote...
Acyutānanda: Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...there's a ceremony where Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are, I think, married.
Acyutānanda: Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa I heard, that They were married by Brahmā in secret.
Prabhupāda: (break) ...lands are being distributed.
Acyutānanda: To the bhaṅgīs.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Distributed?
Prabhupāda: These lands are being distributed?
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. We cannot pay.
Indian man: It's almost double.
Prabhupāda: Everyone is trying to exploit you. They freely say, the rickshawalla, that they will charge five hundred rupees per bīghā to others and they will charge four thousand rupees to you. This is going on. Don't allow them to paint unless the rate is settled.
Bhavānanda: We had one day guard on our front gate last week. He worked for three days. His monthly salary was forty rupees plus his meals. So after he was here for three days the rickshawallas, they said, "Why you are working for them for so little money? They are so wealthy." And he left.
Prabhupāda: Who is supervising this department?
Bhavānanda: Tapomaya.
Prabhupāda: Where is Tapomaya? (Bengali)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is all our, for our sugarcane?
Tapomāyā: Another two.... (break)
Prabhupāda: So we shall pay reasonable price for all the lands.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Not only... Everywhere now there will be harassment for us because this is the only movement preaching about God's glories. This is only movement in the whole world. So the harassment will increase.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Increase.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The more we sell our books, the harassment will be there. But sale is increasing.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right. And we just double our effort.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) ...religious persecution. We don't mind that. We shall go on with our business. (Bengali) They feel, "Now this is coming."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Threat.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They know we're threatening.
Prabhupāda: When they feel. Yes. Just like our Godbrothers. Now they're feeling; therefore there is harassment. "Harass them." Planning how to harass. Just like Hiraṇyakaśipu. When he saw that Prahlāda could not be killed in so many ways, he became very much disturbed: "What is this?" Then one day he asked, "Prahlāda, wherefrom you have got this power?" "And wherefrom you have got this power? I am getting from the same source."
Satsvarūpa: "For this reason I am very excited to see the publication of Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, by Śrī A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda. Śrīla Prabhupāda, from his very birth, was trained in the strict practice of bhakti-yoga, and he appears in a succession of gurus that traces back to the original speaking of Bhagavad-gītā by Śrī Kṛṣṇa. His knowledge of Sanskrit is impeccable. His penetration into the inner meaning of the text is befitting only a fully realized soul who has indeed perfectly understood the meaning of Bhagavad-gītā. Personally, I intend to use this book in the courses which I am directing by invitation of the Mexican government on the language, culture, and philosophy of India. This authorized edition of the Gītā will serve a double purpose in Spanish-speaking countries. One, it will help to stop the terrible cheating of false and unauthorized gurus and yogis; and two, it will give an opportunity to Spanish-speaking people to understand the actual meaning of Oriental culture."
Devotees: Jaya!
Ghanaśyāma: Sometimes... (break) ...they say the exact things, you know. It's so nice that people...
Prabhupāda: Sometimes I myself read my reviews.
Devotee (1): This man here, Śrīla Prabhupāda, he has just recently, Dr. Bardwell Smith... He's a professor. He has just recently written a letter to us that he's going to bring his students. He's in charge of an India tour program for students in India. He's going to bring his students on a regular scheduled program to Vṛndāvana.
Prabhupāda: Yes, invite them.
Prabhupāda: You can make it red.
Dr. Patel: Now, sir, they think the body does not extinct with the stoppage of the heart, but it gets extinct after complete disorganization of the brain or what we call...
Prabhupāda: That means mūḍha. You are mūḍha, again mūḍha. Double mūḍha. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: Both, they come to mūḍha. Now rascal become...
Prabhupāda: Means when he becomes double mūḍha he becomes rascal. (laughter) Single mūḍha is tolerable, and double mūḍha means mūḍha. Double M.A. Double M.A. means double rascal.
Dr. Patel: Up to this, sir, heart transplant, I mean, surgery...
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) All mūḍhas. (Hindi) Apareyam. Immediately Kṛṣṇa says, but this rascal will not accept. He immediately says, "This you are analyzing, but these things, these material things—apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parā (BG 7.5). There is another thing." But that they will not accept. Therefore mūḍha. Kṛṣṇa says very clearly, apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parā. What is that? Jīva-bhūta. That living entity. So clearly said, but they are so mūḍha, they will not accept.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct).
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: I've been visiting your buses, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and managing the book distribution with the buses. It's going very nicely. Ever since Māyāpur all the boys have doubled their collection and distribution. And as soon as all the debts from New York temple are paid, then more and more books can go. We'll try to do everything. (break) The men are just like the army. The van leaders, bus leaders. So everything is very efficient, clean, and very high-powered. (break) ...just two years ago, when we left India, that you wanted an army of sannyāsīs and brahmacārīs always traveling, distributing books.
Prabhupāda: (looking at plaque) Commissioners?
Hari-śauri: Commissioners of Parks and Boulevards, William Livingston Jr., President; Fred Gunter, Vice-President.
Ambarīṣa: Sperimus meliora.
Hari-śauri: (indistinct) generibus. Some Latin inscription on the bridge.
Ambarīṣa: It means to increase their happiness they have built this park. Melior means increased happiness.
Prabhupāda: (break) ...Kṛṣṇa there is no happiness. All imagination.
Prabhupāda: They invent some big, big words (laughter). Aparkalasvena-vargolas-double-wakundali-gondolais (gibberish). (laughter)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: "One of them was Uri Geller, an ordinary street magician who succeeded in hoodwinking two scientists of the Stanford Research Institute. He claimed that he was able to perform miracles with psychic powers obtained from a computerized brain thirteen million light years away in space." Very far away in space there's a computerized brain that he's using.
Hari-śauri: This guy, Uri Geller, he had a stage show. He would get one iron bar and stare at it, and the iron bar would bend, like this. And he could bend, he could put a spoon in the open palm of his hand, and it would bend. Things like this he was doing, and he became very famous overnight.
Prabhupāda: By bending iron.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda read the last issue in Hawaii. I remember you read through the last issue with a brown cover in Hawaii.
Prabhupāda: So how you make this double color. Twice printed?
Kulaśekhara: Three times. Red, black and yellow.
Prabhupāda: Vṛndāvana-candra? No.
Kīrtanānanda: Vṛndāvana-natha.
Prabhupāda: Where?
Kīrtanānanda: He is at the original farm where you stayed. This is the pūjārī. Very, very nice boy. He also makes that nice sandesh. Rādhānatha.
Prabhupāda: And who makes the singara?
Prabhupāda: Bigger than here, double.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Very nice garden.
Prabhupāda: Very nice garden and on the riverside.
Kīrtanānanda: Can you bathe in the river?
Hari-śauri: Sometimes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, if you like, you can bathe.
Hari-śauri: You can drive a boat in it underneath the house. There's a dock. It's like a garage.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: All the rich people come by in their yachts all day long and wave, "Hare Kṛṣṇa." So Śrīla Prabhupāda said we should put a sign up on the, boat, that they can drive their boat in and take prasādam and read the books.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And invite them, give here signboard: "Please come, read our books and take prasādam." Gradually, they will come. Very big garden.
Prabhupāda: Vipratve sūtram eva hi. And there is a brāhmaṇa. What is the proof that he is a brāhmaṇa? He has got a sacred thread, that's all. Or thread. It may not be sacred; purchased on the market. So at least we try to give a sacred thread by ceremony. But anyone can purchase a thread from the market, two-paisa worth or one-cent worth, and become a brāhmaṇa. "You are a brāhmaṇa?" "Yes, you see my sacred thread?" (laughter) Finished. "What you are doing?" "Never mind." Don't be such brāhmaṇas, at least in our camp. You must follow the rules and regulations. Don't show that "I am now doubly initiated, sacred thread." Don't cheat in that way. Vipratve sūtram eva hi. Then?
Pradyumna: Liṅgam evāśrama-khyātāv.
Prabhupāda: Liṅgam evāśrama-khyātāv. There are āśramas, brahmacārī, sannyāsī, gṛhastha. So they have got different dresses. So Kali-yuga, simply by dress, he becomes a brahmacārī, he become a gṛhastha, he becomes a sannyāsī, simply by dress. What he is acting, nobody cares, that's all. Then?
Pradyumna: Liṅgam, eva.
Prabhupāda: Liṅgam means the external feature. This is the dress of a sannyāsī, this is the dress of a gṛhastha. Just like daṇḍa. Daṇḍa is the symptom that he is a sannyāsī. Then?
Prabhupāda: Distribute this prasādam. (break) Janayaty āśu vairāgyaṁ jñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam (SB 1.2.7). Vairāgya and jñāna, both thing will develop, Vāsudeva. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Take prasādam. Give him twice, he has worked very hard. (laughter) Double, you should give double. So Kṛṣṇa will bless you. So push this scientific movement, go to every university, every college. How they are receiving now in the college circles?
Sadāpūta: We gave a lecture a couple of days ago in Gainesville, and it was interesting. We actually gave a couple of TV interviews.
Prabhupāda: How they received it?
Sadāpūta: Well in the class, at first the professor said "That's completely fallacious." But he quieted down.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they will say like that, "fallacious," but you have to make them down. (laughter)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: In the TV it was very favorable. The interview was just a professor at the University of Florida, and he's a professor of religion and history. We were speaking how life comes from life from a philosophical and scientific point of view, and he received very well and asked questions also.
Prabhupāda: All right.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Since he has come here the prasādam in the restaurant has at least doubled in the quality.
Prabhupāda: Ācchā. (laughs)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Completely different prasādam. He's learned the Gujarati style. Kacuris, samosā, every kind of special prep. When we stayed in Kailasa Shiksarya's house when we were first in Bombay, the things that those cooks were cooking, he knows how to cook. Very high class Marwari and Gujarati cooking.
Prabhupāda: He's very intelligent.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And Maṇibandha, he's another one, he's cooking with Ṛṣi Kumāra.
Prabhupāda: He's also very intelligent boy, but sometimes spoiled.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We have a lot of them here.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, we have to take care of so many souls. (Karmī yells) What does he say?
Prabhupāda: Now, formerly it was thirty-five, now it is
sixty-five?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Prabhupāda. Everything has doubled in price. This car is very ordinary, but it is because you are in it, Prabhupāda, that they are looking. Ordinarily it is not such a special car.
Prabhupāda: What is the make of it?
Hari-śauri: LTD. What is it?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's the same, more or less the same car that you had when you were driving in Los Angeles.
Hari-śauri: The same as what you had in Melbourne also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's a Ford.
Prabhupāda: Los Angeles this was Mercedes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, Mercury. Right? Mercury?
Prabhupāda: No, this is nice car.
Prabhupāda: Oh. (pause) (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We can return back now. This one is older, this is new. There are twice as many floors in the same amount of space. It's actually double. (break) ...think there's an advancement in living conditions. Seems to be worsening, but they're taking it as advancement. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: About the same as Mercedes. Ten thousand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nandaki, is it as good mechanically as a Mercedes?
Devotee: No, I don't think so.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Mercedes is very sturdy.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The comfort's better.
Devotee: But after two years this all becomes finished, all this. Starts falling apart.
Prabhupāda: But Mercedes is strong. (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: What salary he is getting?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Ah, he's getting about twelve, thirteen hundred dollars now.
Prabhupāda: Salary? Yes. He was getting in America six hundred. (laughs) Getting double.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: And he will get a lot more and more. He will get a lot more. And he is..., we have our regular programs, he brings people from business, we all bring people, and the prasādam and chanting and lecture. It's very nice.
Prabhupāda: And so Nandarāṇī is also working?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: She is happy. She, for a while she taught at a karmī school, from that school...
Prabhupāda: She has got experience.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes, she's very good.
Prabhupāda: Both of them are very intelligent. And Nandarāṇī is more intelligent than her husband. (laughs) I know that.
Prabhupāda: We started with five hundred. What was that machine?
Kīrtanānanda: Mimeograph. Then I think it went to two thousand then to five thousand.
Rāmeśvara: Now for December we are printing two million copies. Last year we printed one million copies, so this year we must double. Two million copies in one month.
Kīrtanānanda: Wonderful.
Prabhupāda: It is all Kṛṣṇa's mercy. You have seen the first copy? They have brought photograph from which library?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Congress Library in Washington. They found the original...
Prabhupāda: Yes. I do not know how they got my...
Rāmeśvara: Oh, your original, from India.
Prabhupāda: Yes, 1944, the first copy. I get them from selling. Perhaps they had been, American.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, I'll come.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But you do say that to a lot of different temples, but we will try to make this doubly big.
Prabhupāda: Always, so long I live, I must come.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Really?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If we get on Fifth Avenue, you'll come again?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But we will double the amount of people, promise.
Bali-mardana: And double the prasādam.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We will double everything if you are here, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. I can stay here also. I like especially New York, because I started the movement here. And because there are so many branches, if I go they become enlivened.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, just it would give... There are so many good... Of course, everywhere there are good devotees, but here there are so many strong preachers that if you stay here on the basis that they had to increase their preaching, we would double and triple our preaching. There's no question. We would throw out all considerations of inconvenience to ourselves and simply preach day and night.
Bali-mardana: Especially New York, the people are ready for it. Like today, they have taken part very nicely. Even the policemen.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, they're so favorable. Rāmeśvara was commenting. He said he never saw... The climate of the people of New York is unique in America. They are very favorable.
Prabhupāda: So where is that man? Where he has gone? 7-UP can be had anywhere.
Hari-śauri: Well, it's Sunday evening. It's a bit difficult. He has to drive around in a car till he finds somewhere.
Bali-mardana: 7-UP? You want 7-UP? I can get it.
Hari-śauri: I sent Śravaṇānanda out to get it.
Gargamuni: Then we will get fifty paisa profit. We will double our investment.
Prabhupāda: That was nicely... That was nicely printed. So in this way invest our books or land. We don't want to keep cash.
Jayapatākā: And if they want to keep branch or not, that is up to them. We can't give them any money. If they want to keep branch or not, that's up to them.
Prabhupāda: That should be up to them. If they keep branch we can take that. They'll go on.
Gargamuni: We will tell them frankly that for us to invest in books is more profitable because after one month we get more.
Prabhupāda: We cannot keep money and without any... They will give interest. What is that interest? And he said we have printed fifty paisa and selling hundred paisa. So that much interest they cannot give. They'll give, utmost, ten percent. Ten percent per annum—not even one percent in a month.
Gargamuni: Your books will be our bank.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Jayapatākā: He doesn't write himself. He writes in old fashion. But he corrects for double-checking philosophy. Editing. And this Kiśora, he was a M.A. and he previously used to write. He was an honor student at Calcutta University, and he used to freelance write in Bengali. So his style is very nice.
Prabhupāda: Why not engage him in simply...
Jayapatākā: He is translating now our...
Gargamuni: That's all he does.
Jayapatākā: That and he greets the guests. He's also good at membership.
Prabhupāda: Gītār Gān has become popular.
Gargamuni: Yes. That name has become very popular. Everyone is asking, "Where is this Gītār Gān?"
Prabhupāda: So you can register the name so that others may not...
Jayapatākā: Yes, otherwise they'll cash in on it.
Today ISKCON has about one hundred āśramas, gurukula schools, temples and farming communities around the world. But according to Prabhupāda, his books are his most important contribution. In the last ten years he has published over eighty volumes in sixteen languages. Scholars in India and abroad have praised Prabhupāda's books as classics, scholarly and authoritative. Literally crores of his literatures are sold annually, and this figure is almost doubling every year. How is it possible to sell so many books about Kṛṣṇa? Girirāja, president of the ISKCON center in Bombay, answers, 'People all over the world are looking to India for transcendental knowledge. They know that India's ancient Sanskrit literature speaks of lasting happiness beyond the frustration of material life. They are eager to buy our books because they know that we are presenting the genuine Vedic culture. In fact, many Westerners come here to discover the real India for themselves, (indistinct) life experience. For this reason we are building a model Vedic community at our Juhu center in Bombay, providing all the modern amenities for scholars, students, and sophisticated inquirers from abroad as well as from India who can study the original Indian culture and practice.
Guest (1): That's right.
Prabhupāda: If you want to cheat others, you cheat in your own way. Why do you take Bhagavad-gītā?
Guest (1): Don't take the protection of Bhagavad-gītā. That is doubly wrong.
Prabhupāda: That is great cheating, great cheating.
Guest (1): In the name of Bhagavad-gītā...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): ...one should not...
Prabhupāda: That is the difficulty. Everyone is doing that.
Guest (1): Yes. We have many propagations of Gītā in this country.
Prabhupāda: He is preaching his own ideas and taking Bhagavad-gītā.
Guest (1): Under the umbrella of Bhagavad-gītā he does it.
Prabhupāda: Smoking gāñjā with a friend's hand because there is smell, so the friend's hand will smell. (Hindi) (laughter) This is going on. (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: You are covering, but those who are not interested, why they should pay more? That is my point.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: No. But... Yes... But the answer is, we have established a double pricing system, for all foreigners are paying fifteen rupees for single room, twenty-five for double. And the Indians are paying eight and fifteen.
Prabhupāda: When they understand that you have got such discrimination, they are dissatisfied.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: No, what we have done, we have added in various different points like extra bedsheet, one rupee, extra this... We have added in these extra points. So the total does come to fifteen and twenty. I have spoken to all the travel agencies, and they are willing to go along with us. In fact, they think that fifteen and twenty-five is very cheap. But I then explain to them that we can't make it any more because we are in competition with...
Prabhupāda: But you don't get customer even lesser than that. First of all see your position. You may calculate in the mind that "This is cheap, this is not," but cheap or no cheap, you are not getting any customers. (chuckling)
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Prabhupāda: Yes. That is not bad. (break) ...must go on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Double.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: At least every year.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It doesn't matter how they are opposing.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think the book sales will tremendously increase this year in India especially.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Yes. And India, if we are popular, oh, then government will see.
Hari-śauri: There's tremendous potential for book distribution in India.
Prabhupāda: Therefore I say, take five lakhs and print and distribute. All languages.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Someone was giving me the report today that in Delhi the boys go out, and each man sells eighty to a hundred rupees' worth of books.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Prabhupāda: Scholars and universities... He's also big scholar, archaeologist, very big scholar. (break) ...beginning it was not so heavy. It is heavy. So even it is double weight, at that time it would cost thirty rupees. Now thirty into thirty times, nine...
Hṛdayānanda: Nine hundred.
Prabhupāda: So according to that proportion it would have cost one thousand at the present moment, value. So why so much, four hundred dollars? Four hundred dollars means three thousand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: See, the thing with this coin is that they did not mint very many copies.
Prabhupāda: That's another thing.
Brahmānanda: Becomes rare.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore it becomes rare.
Devotee (2): We checked it, Mahārāja. There was four thousand of those minted in that year.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Four thousand.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Prabhupāda: Yes. So the Acarya's place and her space bigger?
Girirāja: No, Acarya's is much bigger.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Double nearly. Nearly double the space.
Prabhupāda: Then how you can accommodate?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he's suggesting that she can also, in her own house... I think you're suggesting, aren't you?
Girirāja: Well, she wants more space than what she has. She'll... I think we can avoid this. Otherwise, some special cases, we can use the Chand Society.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Girirāja: For the time being, once in a while we can use what we have.
Prabhupāda: Yes, Chand Society.
Girirāja: And then, when the building is ready...
Prabhupāda: That's very good. Make some arrangement...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One hundred rupees a dozen they are being sold for, and they are being sent to the Gulf states, to the Arabs, and the Arabs are paying up to five hundred rupees a dozen for Alphonso mangoes. Fifty rupees per mango they are willing to pay. So the newspaper commented that "It may be that the poor people will not eat mango this year." Mangoes are so costly, over double the cost of last year.
Prabhupāda: Fifty rupees, twenty-five rupees per mango—who will pay?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nobody. Of course, here in India they won't be so costly. The most costly ones are selling for one hundred rupees a dozen, so about eight rupees apiece. But then you can get lesser quality, and once the season is more in, then it will be available. But they are becoming increasingly costly. But isn't that an unheard of price? In your childhood I don't think they were that costly.
Prabhupāda: One rupee, dozen.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Phew! Good ones?
Prabhupāda: And later on, '53 or so, we saw, one rupee, half a dozen.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very cheap.
Prabhupāda: So now they are getting fifty rupees. Time will come: even if you pay five thousand rupees, you won't get one mango. That is coming.
Prabhupāda: Whimsical. Very, very difficult to deal with such unscrupulous government. But still, we have got open field all over the world.
Rāmeśvara: In America the book selling has now surpassed last year.
Prabhupāda: Ācchā?
Rāmeśvara: We are trying to double. So it is not yet doubled, but it has gone...
Prabhupāda: Surplus.
Rāmeśvara: ...beyond last year.
Prabhupāda: Oh. That's nice. It is going to be doubled.
Rāmeśvara: We are confident. By your words it will double.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Be doubly blessed. Yes. I say, America is my fatherland. So New Vrindaban is developing? Be happy everywhere.
Kīrtanānanda: How can we be happy when you're not well?
Prabhupāda: Hm? Hm?
Prabhupāda: Book distribution increasing?
Jayatīrtha: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda, book distribution is increasing.
Rāmeśvara: In London they have already doubled what they did last year. Twice as much as last year in London.
Prabhupāda: What about Bury Place?
Jayatīrtha: Bury Place we're keeping. They're still trying to get us out, but we are keeping. I don't think that Kṛṣṇa will leave until He wants to leave. (Prabhupāda laughs) We just fixed up His Deity house and generally repaired the place. Now...
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is smiling. They are trying to drive Him. Kṛṣṇa's smiling. That's all. Go on with your business.
Jayatīrtha: Therefore you called Him Rādhā-London-Īśvara.
Prabhupāda: Our London, Bury Place, Deity is very beautiful, smiling.
Rāmeśvara: For small books like Perfection of Yoga, it has increased forty-five percent. For medium books like Kṛṣṇa Trilogy and Īśopaniṣad, it has increased forty-five percent, and for the hardbound books like Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, it has doubled, two hundred percent increase.
Jayapatākā: In one month.
Prabhupāda: This is very good.
Girirāja: No, that means tripled.
Rāmeśvara: Two hundred percent increase.
Girirāja: One hundred percent increase is doubled, so two hundred percent...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Tripled. Tripled, the book distribution.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Big books.
Prabhupāda: Very good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Simply by your word, Śrīla Prabhupāda, it is happening.
Rāmeśvara: Everyone is now wearing these "Double It" buttons. The whole movement is simply thinking of doubling book distribution, doubling it.
Prabhupāda: Very good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "We are sending our balance sheet for your inspection. Hope this meets you in good health. P.S. Book distribution is increasing two hundred percent this month, as desired." Oh, doubling it. They also wrote him that he has to double the book distribution. He says, "Local people are enthusiastic to distribute Prabhupāda's literature." He sent a very professional balance sheet, chartered accounts.
Prabhupāda: He can... You can see.
Mr. Myer: Yes, very nice.
Prabhupāda: These things you'll have to take.
Mr. Myer: He's not a (indistinct), so a very good manager...
Prabhupāda: He is the proper man.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This man is the biggest businessman in Lautoka, Fiji, and his brother is the mayor. And he became initiated disciple of Śrīla Prabhupāda's, and personally he has organized a society there, collected all the funds and built a beautiful temple with Kṛṣṇa-Kāliya Deity.
Mr. Myer: That is where Yaśodā-nandana Mahārāja is going for the opening.
Prabhupāda: You reply that I am progressing little.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Mr. Myer: It's actually not only imagining that if we double the book distribution, then Śrīla Prabhupāda will improve.
Prabhupāda: Everywhere book selling is...
Mr. Myer: Everywhere it's just going on doubling. That's how the whole world people are looking toward your good health and balance(?). Sometime...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We're looking forward to the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, tenth, eleventh and twelfth cantos. That is what we're all...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And I want simply some of them to stay, not money. Money they are bringing. Whatever money we are spending here, Bombay, they are bringing. They are... I am writing books. They are selling books. I am working them always: "Make double. Make double." And they are bringing money. So we'll not touch even India's money a farthing. Let them stay here. "No, that is not... Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out." That's all.
Mr. Myer: Yes, the posts will change now because it is very good man over here, new business in America and on the Prime Minister.
Prabhupāda: And "Get out. Get out."
Mr. Myer: This "Get out..."
Prabhupāda: And "Get out" means another ten thousand rupees. He has to go out, again come back.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's a big harassment.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: When I entered the toilet bathroom I was surprised. (laughs)
Vrindavan De: In USA or Detroit?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Detroit, Michigan, USA. Prabhupāda's bathroom is nearly the size of this room, and it's all gold-covered on the ceiling, and the sink is a piece of marble this thick.
Prabhupāda: In London my sitting room is bigger than this, double. My sleeping room is like this. And my toilet room is half this. This is my quarters.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You have so many places that you cannot visit them all in a year.
Prabhupāda: In everywhere. I have got now 120 places, palaces.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And each place with fifty to one hundred servants.
Prabhupāda: Yes... So happiness, unless Kṛṣṇa gives, there is no question of happiness. Our business should be that we may not be uncomfortably living which will disturb our progress of Kṛṣṇa consciousness—that much. Other things? Depend on Kṛṣṇa. If He wants to make you Indra, you become Indra. There is no happiness even by becoming Indra. You... We read from books. Indra is how much disturbed, always fighting, devāsura. He has to fight. The same thing as here. Only difference is the standard of living in the heaven and the duration of life are greater. But if you have to struggle for existence, then what is the use of this duration of life, greater? Simply struggling, where is happiness?
Prabhupāda: Double. Double motion.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. So they say, therefore, when you're on this side and the sun is here, you won't see, but when it turns around, then you'll see the sun. But the Bhāgavatam does not agree with that description. The Bhāgavatam says that you don't see the sun because it's blocked by the Meru. The sun is moving, and Meru is blocking. And they never even heard of Meru. What is their knowledge? Such a big mountain and they don't even know about it. That means they never left the earth's sphere. They never went more than a few hundred miles in the air, Śrīla Prabhupāda. It's all lies.
Prabhupāda: All. That I am speaking from the very beginning. Now it is proved. They are also saying.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, about the moon hoax.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They could not answer this, "Why Sunday first, Monday?"
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was with you when that reporter came in Los Angeles. Prabhupāda said, "Then answer to this one question, 'Why all over the world, Sunday comes before Monday?' "
Prabhupāda: They could not answer.
Prabhupāda: There it can be done. Just like you have four rings, and hang it, and very slowly.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: After They're installed, can They still be taken for... Sometimes They have special festivals. Is that all right? Because They've always traveled. They're not like a marble Deity. It's different. (pause) Your translating work is becoming a very regular thing now in the afternoons. Everybody I write to, I tell them that you have doubled your translation work, keeping with the doubling of book distribution. We got quite an encouraging letter just now, a full report from Dhṛṣṭadyumna Mahārāja about all the different things in...
Prabhupāda: Get this fan.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Fans? Encouraging report from Dhṛṣṭadyumna Mahārāja about all of the things that he's in charge of. It's very nice.
Prabhupāda: In New York. (break)
Prabhupāda: Gujarati books will sell very nice all over the world. Gujarati people are all over the world.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. I told England to take five thousand.
Prabhupāda: Everywhere they have made colonies. So I am getting very good news, book distribution, from Europe and America.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Rāmeśvara Swami told me the book distribution has doubled in America.
Prabhupāda: And Communist country wonderfully.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: I'll show you that letter that I got from Russia inviting us to come to the...
Prabhupāda: Caitanya-caritāmṛta. They have sold at least thirty to forty lakhs' worth Caitanya-caritāmṛta.
Yaśomatīnandana: Pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma (CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126) .
Prabhupāda: Bengali's price.(?) Still, they are purchasing. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: It's been raining very, very heavily in Bombay. Because of this, all the ships, everything, have been getting delayed. It's very heavy rainfall. Last seven days it's raining continuously, day and night.
Prabhupāda: That is Bombay. Three days, four days raining continually, that is not unusual in Bombay.
Harikeśa: (laughs) We can't compete with...
Rāmeśvara: But that was last year's. Next year we are planning to double it.
Jayatīrtha: In America you are planning to double it. In Europe we are doubling it.
Harikeśa: Right now we are laying out the Arabic Bhagavad-gītā. We're laying out the work. It's all composed.
Rāmeśvara: Haribol.
Harikeśa: And the Polish Easy Journey...
Prabhupāda: He was rotting here, typewriting. I said, "You go." I had ten servants. You feel.(?) They are heavy.(?) He thought that I am degrading him. No. Now you understand?
Harikeśa: Yes, I understand, Prabhupāda.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should I go on reading, Śrīla Prabhupāda? He says that book distribution is doubling there also. He says, "On the farm we are doing spring planting, and this year seven acres is being put into crops, an increase over last year, since the population has grown. The farm is now famous throughout the country as..."
Prabhupāda: If you give me some rest, I can sit down.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If we give Prabhupāda some rest...
Upendra: Some pillows.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Back rest. (break) "...with your permission we would like to come and visit you sometime later this year, as it has now been so long since I have had your personal association." Do you give him permission to come visit you?
Prabhupāda: Why not?
Prabhupāda: What it is, Kṛṣṇa knows.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Anyway, the signs which the kavirāja told us to look for, which would show that things are going well, are definitely present. The fact is that you have been passing more urine every day, nearly double the amount that you previously were passing. And also you're not exerting yourself as much. Up until a week ago you were speaking a lot, translating or otherwise, and this parikrama you were doing was also exerting. So in that respect you're not exerting yourself as much. In other words, all of the things which the kavirāja has asked us to do, we're doing and you're doing. So we should now wait and see. In the meantime, we're here chanting. If you like, we can read. And we're perfectly satisfied to be with you. So I don't see that there's any difficulty in waiting to see the results of the treatment, see if it has actually helped.
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Bhakti-caru: I asked him if he would like to take some medicine.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda was saying that Tīrtha Mahārāja's brother says that our gate alone is worth all the other temples, that front gate alone. (laughter) When I told Śrīla Prabhupāda that people say that our new building is like a..., worth a whole train, Prabhupāda said, "A double train."
Jayapatākā: When one of the Communist papers was writing a critical report about us, then they said that "They even have a building that's longer than the Writer's Building. How they have done this, shamed our state building?" (laughter)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The gate is bigger than the Governor's gate and the building is longer than the Writer's Building. Kṛṣṇa is first. When we build that temple, it will... (laughter) Then everyone will simply be silent. That will end all comment.
Prabhupāda: They are already silent. (laughter)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if the treatment is continuing, if the treatment is working, why not continue it under the guidance of this kavirāja for some time? His point is this. This is what I've seen, Śrīla Prabhupāda, being your secretary all these months, that whenever you took milk you would get cough. For the first time I see there's no cough coming. Another problem, you couldn't pass urine. Now there's double the amount of urine. Another thing, you couldn't pass stool. Now it comes normally. At least it comes without any artificial means. So the one thing that has not yet come is strength, and kavirāja is suggesting what you yourself had always said, "If I can drink milk, I will get stronger." So if the kavirāja's treatment... To my feeling it has worked. At least symptoms... The symptoms have been better under his treatment than any doctor so far.
Prabhupāda: That will work.
| Page Title: | Double (Conversations) |
| Compiler: | Mayapur, RupaManjari |
| Created: | 01 of Oct, 2011 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=70, Let=0 |
| No. of Quotes: | 70 |